My application consists of two parts: A Windows Service running under the LocalSystem account and a client process running under the currently logged in regular user.
I need to deploy the application across Windows versions from XP up to Win7.
The client will retrieve files from the web and collect user data from the user.
The service will construct files and data of it's own which the client needs to read.
I'm trying to figure out the best place (registry or filesystem, or mix) to store all this. One file the client or service needs to be able to retrieve from the net is an update_patch executable which needs to run whenever an upgrade is available.
I need to be sure the initial installer SETUP.EXE, and also the update_patch can figure out this ideal location and set a RegKey to be read later by both client and server telling them the magic location (The SETUP.EXE will run with elevated privileges since it needs to install the service)
On my Win7 test system the service %APPDATA% points to:
C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Roaming
and the %APPDATA% of the client points to:
C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Roaming
Interestingly Google Chrome stores everything (App and Data) in
C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome
Chrome runs pretty much in exactly the way I want my suite to run (able to silently update itself in the background)
What I'm trying to avoid is nasty popups warning the user that the app wants to modify the system, and I want to avoid problems when VirtualStore doesn't exist because the user is running XP/2000/2003 or has UAC turned off.
My target audience are non-tech-savvy general Windows users.
Chrome doesn't have any services running under the LocalSystem account, though.
If you want to have files that can be shared between accounts on the same system, store them under the %ALLUSERSPROFILE% folder.
If you just want to be able to auto-update programs, then doing what Chrome does is fine: just make sure you launch the updated elevated when UAC is turned on.
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I'm trying to figure out how to install software when the PC reboots Note that this is on machine startup, not user login. Anyone have any suggestions? Google searches just return how to set programs to start on user login. That's not what I need.
You have a few puzzle pieces to unravel here:
Choosing a mechanism for running on startup prior to user login. For this, the fact that your task is installation of further software doesn't matter. A "service" is the usual way to do this, although for example antivirus software tends to use device drivers.
Automating scheduling your code to run at startup. If you chose a service in the above step, this means using the Service Control Manager API.
Actually doing the work, without having an active user login session. Services run in an environment where there is no UI available, the user registry is associated with a service account and not any real user, etc. Other than that, code runs normally (you can load DLLs, access files and directories, etc). Permissions needed by your installer may also become a problem and cause you to modify the service installation options in step 2.
We are writing an installer for our Windows tool. As our tool uses an updater (wyUpdate) and we want that users WITHOUT Administator rights can performs updates. Which is the right directory to install the app to? The standard C:\Program Files requires Administrator rights, so we have discarded this option. After reading a bit on the Web, we have chosen AppData, i.e. C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Local.
Is this best practice? Or should we use another directory?
If you do not want to allow your users to mess with the installed program, you have to install it to a folder that needs Administrator privileges.
To allow an automatic update of such application, you need to develop/install a service that runs with Administrator privileges, which will update the installation. This is what Windows Update, Mozilla Maintenance Service, Google Chrome Elevation Service, Adobe Acrobat Update Service and similar services do.
If you do not want to implement a service, but you want the application to be used by all users of the machine, you need to install it to a folder that can be accessed by all users, yet does not need Administrator privileges. You can for example use C:\Users\Public. See also Is there a shared folder in Windows to which non-elevated users have write access?. You can use PUBLIC environment variable to resolve that path.
If the application is to be used by one user only, then you are ok with using C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local – {userappdata} in Inno Setup.
Related question: Deploying application with .NET framework without admin privileges
Looking for suggestions on how to go about the following, i.e what would be the best language to do it in etc, third party tools are a no :(
I've been tasked to create some sort of windows shell/command line interface that will allow a standard users to install a specific set of applications (configurable by administrators) (installation requires Admin/UAC elevation) due to security restrictions the user cannot have elevated privileges so they'll be able to run the shell as a standard user and it would have hidden/encrypted credentials built in to run the installs as.
Some of the requirements are as follows:
It would need to work on Server 2008 R2, 2012 r1 and 2012 r2
The credentials used to perform the install would have to be hidden (encrypted) from the end user.
Ideally it could work by us providing some config to it prior to handing that server over to the customer and limit what it could be used to install to a particular .exe or .msi (so we know of a need to install an app, we are advised of the name of the install and can logon and can enter it into a form maybe so only that app can be installed, then hand the server over to the customer who runs the same utility or shell extension or whatever and can then install their app.
Even more ideally it was more intelligent than that and some means of ensuring any .msi was indeed installing the application that the msi name related to (seems unlikely but just in case a normal user created an .msi to grant himself further admin access as per http://blogs.technet.com/b/fdcc/archive/2011/01/25/alwaysinstallelevated-is-equivalent-to-granting-administrative-rights.aspx )
Ideally its lifespan would be limited in terms of time (unsure if this could be for example to x number of days).
Any pointers on how to go about this, seems like a good challenge :)
Thanks for reading all that!
Mike
Thanks for the responses,
I managed to do this in C#, with no prior experience in the language :)
The application has 2 parts to it, a GUI and a service. It works by having the application send an install command via IPC to it's counterpart elevated service. (Thanks Hans Passant for pointing me in the right direction there). The service initiates the installer under it's own elevated account but displays the installer GUI on the users session. Files are HMACSHA1 checksum validated prior to install, on both the app and the service.
Thanks,
Mike
If a user requires the ability to install application in the Program Files folder, then instruct the domain administrator to give Full Control of the Program Files folder to Everyone:
Just because the default setting forbids standard users from modifying programs, doesn't mean you have to keep it that way. Windows is a secure operating system that gives you the capability to keep it secure.
If your administrator only wants some users to be able to modify the contents of the Program Files folder, then only give that permission to certain users.
The better solution is to re-design the applications so that they do not install in a (by default) protected location. Have them instead install in:
%APPDATA_LOCAL%\Contoso\Frobber\Grob.exe
e.g.
D:\Users\Ian\AppData\Local\Contoso\Frobber\Grob.exe
A user is always allowed to write anything in their own profile folder.
We have an application that is part standard EXE and part WinService EXE. The standard EXE is spawned by the Run section of the registry and comes to life at login under the credentials of the user who just logged in. The WinService EXE is set to Auto Run and therefore is always running and is running as LocalSystem (essentially administrator).
We need these two programs to share data by writing information to XML files.
The app works fine when the logged in user has access to the installed folder (C:\Program Files\ourApp). The Standard EXE writes the data and the WinService EXE reads it without issue, all is well.
However, when the logged in user does not have access to write to the installed folder, the data gets caught up in UAC Virtualization and Data Redirection and ends up somewhere else and the WinService does not find nor cannot read it from the installed folder.
To circumvent this, we tried having both the standard EXE and the WinService EXE write to and read from %ProgramData%. This would work fine except that standard users do not have permissions to write to %ProgramData%.
We cannot use %LocalAppData% because for the logged in user that would be C:\Users\LoggedInUser\AppData\Local and for the winservice it would be C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Local.
Is there any place left in Vista and Win7 with UAC Virtualization enabled that will allow both a Standard EXE running with only user priveleges and a WinService running as LocalSystem to talk to each other. We tried the registry but the problems are even worse. Also last but not least. We need this to work with XP without any differences in code. Meaning XP also has environment variables for %ProgramData%, %LocalAppData% etc, can it work in both.
Two ideas:
Have each app expose a WCF endpoint using the named pipe
transport, and have them talk to each other over a simple interface
of your choosing.
Use Memory Mapped Files to communicate like
you were with disk files.
A colleague has a batch script program which needs to to run on a Windows Server in console mode, so that it has access to a Windows interactive session. The server is rebooted at regular intervals automatically (there's an unrelated closed-source application that runs on this machine that we have no control over). After a reboot he wants to automatically start a Windows interactive session and have this script run, plus the service needs to also have access to network resources (CIFS drives, in particular).
Here's what we've tried so far:
Start as Windows service. This failed, since a Windows service can either have access to interactive session or to network resources, but never both.
Used Microsoft management console to add the script to run at startup, however this did not work.
Used an HKLM registry key to start to run this script, however it only gets started when we manually open a remote desktop session on the server.
Creating a scheduled task. The program invoked did not have access to interactive windows session.
Any other suggestions? (Or maybe he missed something when he set up one of these suggestions?)
In case "Interact with desktop" on the service is not enough (I have seen a handful of cases where it is not), you can combine it with AutoAdminLogon. Create three (or four for a domain) REG_SZ values under HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon:
DefaultUsername
DefaultPassword
DefaultDomain
AutoAdminLogon
AutoAdminLogon should be set to the string "1", the others are self-explanatory.
Obviously this has security issues big enough to fly Jupiter through.
Have you tried having your script run as a Windows service, but allowing it to interact with the desktop?
Specifically:
Go to the service properties page
Click on the "Log On" tab
Select "Local System account"
Check "Allow service to interact with desktop"
See my similar question and real answer to it: How to start a process from windows service into currently logged in user's session
NOTE: "Interact with desktop" checkbox is not enough at all.
I recommend going about this another way. You could build another Windows app that communicates via IPC to the Windows Service and that could be what deals with the closed souorce application. But if you must, you can specify an option in the service (you can do this through MMC, registry, etc). Basically, you can see this option by going to Computer Management->Services and Applications->Services->Right click your service->Change account to Local System and check "Allow system to interact with desktop."
However, again, I recommend choosing another path.
I had to do something similar recently; a route that I found but discarded due to security concerns is to have the interactive service set self as running in interactive mode and then run the ImpersonateUser function in the win32 API, which I think will provide the benefits of both a user and the interactive session available from the LocalSystem.
Needless to say, if someone broke into a service that did that, they would have total control of the machine.