I'm trying to figure out how to install software when the PC reboots Note that this is on machine startup, not user login. Anyone have any suggestions? Google searches just return how to set programs to start on user login. That's not what I need.
You have a few puzzle pieces to unravel here:
Choosing a mechanism for running on startup prior to user login. For this, the fact that your task is installation of further software doesn't matter. A "service" is the usual way to do this, although for example antivirus software tends to use device drivers.
Automating scheduling your code to run at startup. If you chose a service in the above step, this means using the Service Control Manager API.
Actually doing the work, without having an active user login session. Services run in an environment where there is no UI available, the user registry is associated with a service account and not any real user, etc. Other than that, code runs normally (you can load DLLs, access files and directories, etc). Permissions needed by your installer may also become a problem and cause you to modify the service installation options in step 2.
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Many Windows programs are able to run an update when they start, without an admin prompt. Similarly, my program needs to update itself, without any user input. Any user who logs in needs to be able to use the program.
My program can already find new updates, download them, and run them, but the NSIS installer/updater requires admin rights.
What would I need to do to implement this using Free Pascal and NSIS, short of giving all users access to the installation directory?
Is your application that important that you need to do this? How often do you actually plan to push out updates?
Most applications can probably get away with just elevating with UAC each time it needs to install a update.
If you absolutely feel that you need to "bypass UAC" then you can do what Firefox does; install a NT Service. You don't start this service in the installer but you must call GetNamedSecurityInfo+SetNamedSecurityInfo so you can add SERVICE_START access for the Everyone group to the ACL. Your application running as a normal user can then start this service when there is an update and the service does the updating.
From a security standpoint there are some dangers here because the service runs with full access to the system so you must make sure that your updates are signed so it does not become an easy to use backdoor if someone is able to pull off a man in the middle attack.
I personally think that you should consider doing per-user installations if your program is not too big...
Looking for suggestions on how to go about the following, i.e what would be the best language to do it in etc, third party tools are a no :(
I've been tasked to create some sort of windows shell/command line interface that will allow a standard users to install a specific set of applications (configurable by administrators) (installation requires Admin/UAC elevation) due to security restrictions the user cannot have elevated privileges so they'll be able to run the shell as a standard user and it would have hidden/encrypted credentials built in to run the installs as.
Some of the requirements are as follows:
It would need to work on Server 2008 R2, 2012 r1 and 2012 r2
The credentials used to perform the install would have to be hidden (encrypted) from the end user.
Ideally it could work by us providing some config to it prior to handing that server over to the customer and limit what it could be used to install to a particular .exe or .msi (so we know of a need to install an app, we are advised of the name of the install and can logon and can enter it into a form maybe so only that app can be installed, then hand the server over to the customer who runs the same utility or shell extension or whatever and can then install their app.
Even more ideally it was more intelligent than that and some means of ensuring any .msi was indeed installing the application that the msi name related to (seems unlikely but just in case a normal user created an .msi to grant himself further admin access as per http://blogs.technet.com/b/fdcc/archive/2011/01/25/alwaysinstallelevated-is-equivalent-to-granting-administrative-rights.aspx )
Ideally its lifespan would be limited in terms of time (unsure if this could be for example to x number of days).
Any pointers on how to go about this, seems like a good challenge :)
Thanks for reading all that!
Mike
Thanks for the responses,
I managed to do this in C#, with no prior experience in the language :)
The application has 2 parts to it, a GUI and a service. It works by having the application send an install command via IPC to it's counterpart elevated service. (Thanks Hans Passant for pointing me in the right direction there). The service initiates the installer under it's own elevated account but displays the installer GUI on the users session. Files are HMACSHA1 checksum validated prior to install, on both the app and the service.
Thanks,
Mike
If a user requires the ability to install application in the Program Files folder, then instruct the domain administrator to give Full Control of the Program Files folder to Everyone:
Just because the default setting forbids standard users from modifying programs, doesn't mean you have to keep it that way. Windows is a secure operating system that gives you the capability to keep it secure.
If your administrator only wants some users to be able to modify the contents of the Program Files folder, then only give that permission to certain users.
The better solution is to re-design the applications so that they do not install in a (by default) protected location. Have them instead install in:
%APPDATA_LOCAL%\Contoso\Frobber\Grob.exe
e.g.
D:\Users\Ian\AppData\Local\Contoso\Frobber\Grob.exe
A user is always allowed to write anything in their own profile folder.
To get Windows users to log on as regular users instead of admin, I need to check that all their applications run OK with limited rights.
Is there an application specifically aimed at checking that an application can run with limited rights, or is SysInternals' Process Monitor what everyone uses for this purpose?
Thank you.
Create a test account that has the permissions as the domain users of your application Login in as this user on a non-development computer. Preferrably a computer with a new operating system installation and all of the other "standard" company software. Install the software and run. This is the only way to really test your application.
Make sure you exercise the entire application.
Make sure install and uninstall work as expected and do not leave any artifacts behind.
Having the ability to restore the operating-system and software on the test computer to its original state is a great help.
Use the Permission Calculator Tool to make sure you handle obvious issues before performing this test.
I'm not sure if it would help since I never used it but I know there's a Permission Calculator Tool (Permcalc.exe) at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms165077%28VS.80%29.aspx.
Permission Calculator Tool
(Permcalc.exe)
The Minimum Grant Set Determination
tool (Permcalc.exe) is used to
estimate the permissions callers must
be granted to access the public entry
points of an assembly. This tool is
new in the .NET Framework version 2.0.
It is intended for use by advanced
users.
Run this application on Windows 7/Vista with access control enabled. You may consider Windows 7 as such testing application :)
It is recommended to use non-administrator account with activated access control on a developer computer, when you write and debug the program. This creates some problems, and Windows developers hate this, turning off access control or using administrator account. However, working on Linux/Unix, we don't have administrator rights, and this is OK.
My application consists of two parts: A Windows Service running under the LocalSystem account and a client process running under the currently logged in regular user.
I need to deploy the application across Windows versions from XP up to Win7.
The client will retrieve files from the web and collect user data from the user.
The service will construct files and data of it's own which the client needs to read.
I'm trying to figure out the best place (registry or filesystem, or mix) to store all this. One file the client or service needs to be able to retrieve from the net is an update_patch executable which needs to run whenever an upgrade is available.
I need to be sure the initial installer SETUP.EXE, and also the update_patch can figure out this ideal location and set a RegKey to be read later by both client and server telling them the magic location (The SETUP.EXE will run with elevated privileges since it needs to install the service)
On my Win7 test system the service %APPDATA% points to:
C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Roaming
and the %APPDATA% of the client points to:
C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Roaming
Interestingly Google Chrome stores everything (App and Data) in
C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome
Chrome runs pretty much in exactly the way I want my suite to run (able to silently update itself in the background)
What I'm trying to avoid is nasty popups warning the user that the app wants to modify the system, and I want to avoid problems when VirtualStore doesn't exist because the user is running XP/2000/2003 or has UAC turned off.
My target audience are non-tech-savvy general Windows users.
Chrome doesn't have any services running under the LocalSystem account, though.
If you want to have files that can be shared between accounts on the same system, store them under the %ALLUSERSPROFILE% folder.
If you just want to be able to auto-update programs, then doing what Chrome does is fine: just make sure you launch the updated elevated when UAC is turned on.
This is a Windows 2003 (or later) machine that gets switched on every morning, but no one logs on until some hours later.
I want to use the time in between to run a backup script c:\script\backup.cmd
How can I start this unattended after the machine has come up?
I tried 2 registry keys, but this resulted in the script being run after a user logs on (which is too late):
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
In the end I used Windows TaskScheduler, who has such an option, but I was wondering if there is another possibility?
Short answer: GPEDIT.MSC (Start, Run, GPEdit.msc)
Windows 2000 and above [1] offer a computer Startup Scripts collection in the policy editor:
Computer Settings -> Windows Settings -> Scripts (Startup/Shutdown)
There's an equivalent logon script area (i.e. after computer startup, when a user logs on) in the User configuration bit.
Longer:
GPEDIT.MSC is the Group Policy editing console, and runs against the local computer's Local Group Policy store when it's used directly, so it's useful for setting local-only parameters. When using Active Directory, a similar interface is used to edit AD Forest-hosted group policy objects (GPOs), so the same settings are available across a bunch of machines.
The computer startup scripts run in the computer context, i.e. as LocalSystem, as you noted, so they often can't access network drives which require a certain user or group membership to work. When domain-member computers access network resources, they generally (with exceptions) authenticate using their MACHINENAME$ account - which lets you set Share/NTFS permissions to allow a computer to access those resources.
A startup script is a quick and easy way of getting a process running when the machine boots.
The computer startup process will be affected by the time it takes to run the program, though, so you might want to ensure you call it with the START command from a batch file, or specifying not to wait for the executable to complete in whatever script language you use. (the key point there is: run the script asynchronously unless it's critical, or doesn't need to be run asynchronously cos it will always take no time at all. Long boots = unhappy users).
Using a Win32 Service is an alternative option - you can use the SRVANY utility from the Resource Kit to "service-ify" pretty much any executable. VS.Net 2002 and later also let you build a managed service directly.
And Task Scheduler gets much more capable as of Vista/2008, able to run scripts at startup, on idle, and/or when Event Logs are generated or certain other conditions are met: it's pretty cool! Scheduled Tasks has the possible advantage of being able to specify the user account under which the task runs, if that's important to you.
Caveat Scriptor:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/256320
Run Startup Scripts Asynchronously:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms811602.aspx
Vista Task Scheduler (what's new):
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/appcompat/aa906020.aspx
[1] Windows XP, 2003, Vista/2008, Windows 7/2008R2, Windows 8/2012, Windows 8.1/2012R2, Windows 10/Windows Server 2016. Everything. But NT4 didn't!
You have already outlined a good solution:
Setup a scheduled task to run at Start Up and allow the job to run when the user isn't logged on.
You can run a script at system startup using group policy gpedit.msc
The way you aleady do this seems fine to me; however if you want an alternative approach then services get started when the machine boots so you could write a service that detects if it's a new day (to allow for reboots) and if it is then run your backup.
If I was doing this as a service I'd use TCL because I know it and like it and it has an extension twapi that allows you to run a script as a service. Other scripting languages may well have similar facilities.
There is, if you're using Active Directory. If you can isolate the computer to its own OU or use WMI filtering, you could assign a GPO which has a startup script for the computer. This would ensure that even if someone went in via safe mode and disabled the Task Scheduler, upon startup and connection to the domain, the script would run.