On a computer with an Intel CPU marketed "6 cores / 12 threads", I want to run as many processes as possible, each of them doing math similar computations (each process has a single thread) with different input data. There is no GPU involved, and no inter-process communication is needed.
What is the optimal number of parallel processes of the same executable doing math computations?
Should I run 6 processes (one per physical core)? Or 12 processes (one per thread / virtual core)?
If one process does, say, 1000 computations per second, I'm pretty sure that running 6 of them will run at ~1000/sec each (so a total of ~6000/sec).
But won't running 12 processes make them only 500 computations per second each?
TL;DR: should I run one process per "core" or one process per "thread" on a "6 cores/12 threads Intel CPU"?
It is very dependent of the actual computing code. Some application can benefit from hyper-threading while some do not. High-performance application rarely benefit from hyper-threading so using 1 process per core is certainly the best configuration assuming the code is compute bound and scale well.
Multiple hyper-threads of recent Intel processors (eg. Skylake/Icelake) can share some execution ports. As a result, the overall execution can be faster if one process is not able to saturate the ports. In practice, this is a bit more complex (modern processor are very complex) since compute-bound processes can be bound by other part of the processor like instruction decoding or more tricky low-level units.
For example, the following C code should benefit from hyper-threading (assuming no fast-math optimizations are applied and the code is compiler with optimizations):
float sum = 0.f;
for(int i=0 ; i<maxi ; ++i)
sum += array[i];
Indeed, the latency of a floating-point addition instruction is 3 to 4 cycles while generally 2 of them can be executed per cycle (only 1 before Skylake). This means the code is bound by the latency of the addition instruction chain. Hyper-threads can use the waiting execution port during this time resulting in a up to twice faster execution (other bottleneck cause the execution not to be so fast in practice). If the code is optimized with fast-math optimization, then compilers can unroll the loop and make use of instruction-level parallelism (IPC). A low IPC often means that using hyper-thread may be beneficial, especially if the cause of this low IPC is due to latency issues (eg. instruction latency and cache misses). Unfortunately, this is not always true. For example, the following code should not be faster with hyper-threading:
for(int i=0 ; i<maxi ; ++i)
out_array[i] += in_array[i];
This is because there is generally 1 execution store port on Intel processor and it should already be saturated with 1 hyper-thread (otherwise it should be memory throughput bound which is not better for hyper-threading). Thus using more hyper-thread should not improve the execution time. In fact, hyper-threading introduces a slight overhead that should cause a slightly slower execution.
The thing is applications are generally much more complex than that and one does not know how math functions are implemented. A a result, this is nearly impossible for a developer to know what is the best configuration without a basic benchmark unless the computing kernel is simple.
I've made several measurements of compilation time of wine with HyperThreading enabled and disabled in BIOS on my Core i7 930 #2.8GHz (quad-core) on Linux 2.6.39 x86_64. Each measurement was like this:
git clean -xdf
./configure --prefix=/usr
time make -j$N
where N is number from 1 to 8.
Here're the results ("speed" is 60/real from time(1)):
Here the blue line corresponds to HT disabled and purple one to HT enabled. It appears that when HT is enabled, using 1-4 threads is slower than without HT. I guess this might be related to the kernel not distributing the processes to different cores and reusing second threads of already busy cores.
So, my question: how can I force the kernel to give 1 process per core scheduling higher priority than adding more processes to the same core's different thread? Or, if my reasoning is wrong, how can I have performance with HT not worse than without HT for 1-4 processes running in parallel?
Hyper-threading on Intel chips is implemented as duplication of some of the elements of a pysical core but without enough electronics to be an independent core (e.g. they may share an instruction decoder but I cant recall the specifics of Intel's implementation).
Image a pysical core with HT as 1.5 physical cores that your OS sees as 2 real cores. This doesn't equate to 1.5x speed though (this can vary depending on use case)
In your example, non-HT is faster up to 4 threads because none of the cores are sharing work with their HT pipeline. You see a flatline above 4 threads because now you only have 4 execution threads and you get a little extra overhead context switching between threads.
In the HT example you are a bit slower up to 4 threads probably because some of those threads are being assigned to a real core and it's HT, so you are losing performance as those two execution threads share physical resources. Above 4 threads you are seeing the benefit of the extra execution threads, but you see the beginning of diminishing returns.
You could probably match performance on both cases for up to 4 threads, but likely not with a compilation job. To many processes being spawned for processor affinity to be setup I think. If you instead ran a real parallel job using OpenMP or MPI with X<=4 threads bound to the specific real CPU cores, I think you'd see similar performance between HT-off and -on.
Given a number of threads <= the number of real cores, using HT should be slower because (considered crudely) you are potentially cutting the speed of your cores in half.1
Keep in mind that generally more cores is NOT better than FASTER cores. In fact, the only reason so much work was put into developing multi-core systems is that it became increasingly difficult to make faster and faster ones. So if you cannot have a 20 Ghz processor, then 8 x 3 Ghz ones will have to do.
HT is, I believe, primarily intended as an advantage in contexts where each thread is not necessarily gobbling as much processor as it can; it's doing some particular task that's governed by interaction with a user, such as CAD stuff, video games, etc; these are the kind of applications that benefit from multi-tasking. By contrast, server platforms -- wherein the primary applications tend to thread independent tasks that are not governed by a dependence on anything else, hence are optimally run as fast as possible -- do not benefit directly from multi-tasking; they benefit from speed. make is in the same category, although with a perhaps greater degree of interdependence between threads, which is why you see an advantage for HT from 4-8 threads.
1. This is a simplification. HT doesn't simply double the number of cores and halve their speed, but whatever dynamic is used, the total number of processor cycles per second for the system is not improved. It's the same -- only more fragmented.
I am writing a parallel merge sort program. I use fork() to perform the parallel processing. I tried running 2 parallel processes, 4 processes, 8 processes and so on. Then I found that the one running with 2 processes required the least time to finish, i.e the highest performance. I think it's reasonable as my cpu is core 2 duo. For 4,8,16,32 processes, it seems to have a steady declining of performance, but after that the performance fluctuate (doesn't seem to have a pattern). Can someone explain that?
Plus according to the pattern, I have a feeling that when the number of processes used in the program is equal to the number of core that my cpu has, the my program could have the highest performance. But I am 100% sure. Can someone verify me? Or tell me what actually affect the performance of a parallel program.
Thanks in advance!!
With 2 cores any number of processes greater than 2 will have to share the processor time. You will incur overhead from process switching and you will never have more than two processes executing at one time. It is better to have just two processes run uninterrupted on your two cores.
As to why you were seeing a fluctuation in performance once you hit a large number of processes I'd have to make a guess that your OS is spending more time task switching between the processes than actually performing work doing the sort. The time it takes to switch tasks is an artifact of your OS's scheduler, amount of memory being used by individual tasks, caching, potential use of swap space, etc...
If you want to maximize the performance of parallel processes, the number of processes running concurrently should equal the number of processors times the number of cores on each processor. In your case, two. Any less then you have cores sitting idle not doing anything, any more, you have processes sitting idle waiting for time on a processor core.
3 processes should never be faster than 2 processes on a Core 2 Duo.
Also, forking only makes sense if you're doing CPU-expensive tasks:
Forking to print the message Hello world! twice is nonsense. The forking itself will consume more CPU-time than it could possibly save.
Forking to sort an array with 1,000,000 elements (if you use the proper sorting algorithm) will cut execution time roughly in half.
I'm trying to gain a better understanding of how hyper-threading enabled multi-core processors work. Let's say I have an app which can be compiled with MPI or OpenMP or MPI+OpenMP. I wonder how it will be scheduled on a CentOS 5.3 box with four Xeon X7560 # 2.27GHz processors and each processor core has Hyper-Threading enabled.
The processor is numbered from 0 to 63 in /proc/cpuinfo. For my understanding, there are FOUR 8-cores physical processors, the total PHYSICAL CORES are 32, each processor core has Hyper-Threading enabled, the total LOGICAL processors are 64.
Compiled with MPICH2
How many physical cores will be used if I run with mpirun -np 16? Does it get divided up amongst the available 16 PHYSICAL cores or 16 LOGICAL processors ( 8 PHYSICAL cores using hyper-threading)?
compiled with OpenMP
How many physical cores will be used if I set OMP_NUM_THREADS=16? Does it will use 16 LOGICAL processors ?
Compiled with MPICH2+OpenMP
How many physical cores will be used if I set OMP_NUM_THREADS=16 and run with mpirun -np 16?
Compiled with OpenMPI
OpenMPI has two runtime options
-cpu-set which specifies logical cpus allocated to the job,
-cpu-per-proc which specifies number of cpu to use for each process.
If run with mpirun -np 16 -cpu-set 0-15, will it only use 8 PHYSICAL cores ?
If run with mpirun -np 16 -cpu-set 0-31 -cpu-per-proc 2, how it will be scheduled?
Thanks
Jerry
I'd expect any sensible scheduler to prefer running threads on different physical processors if possible. Then I'd expect it to prefer different physical cores. Finally, if it must, it would start using the hyperthreaded second thread on each physical core.
Basically when threads have to share processor resources they slow down. So the optimal strategy is usually to minimise the amount of processor resource sharing. This is the right strategy for CPU bound processes and that's normally what an OS assumes it is dealing with.
I would hazard a guess that the scheduler will try to keep threads in one process on the same physical cores. So if you had sixteen threads, they would be on the smallest number of physical cores. The reason for this would be cache locality; it would be considered threads from the same process would be more likely to touch the same memory, than threads from different processes. (For example, the costs of cache line invalidation across cores is high, but that cost does not occur for logical processors in the same core).
As you can see from the other two answers the ideal scheduling policy varies depending on what activity the threads are doing.
Threads working on completely different data benefit from more separation. These threads would ideally be scheduled in separate NUMA domains and physical cores.
Threads working on the same data will benefit from cache locality, so the idea policy is to schedule them close together so they share cache.
Threads that work on the same data and experience a large amount of pipeline stalls benefit from sharing a hyperthread core. Each thread can run until it stalls, at which point the other thread can run. Threads that run without stalls are only hurt by hyperthreading and should be run on different cores.
Making the ideal scheduling decision relies on a lot of data collection and a lot of decision making. A large danger in OS design is to make the thread scheduling too smart. If the OS spends a lot of processor time trying to find the ideal place to run a thread, it's wasting time it could be using to run the thread.
So often it's more efficient to use a simplified thread scheduler and if needed, let the program specify its own policy. This is the thread affinity setting.
Let's say I have a 4-core CPU, and I want to run some process in the minimum amount of time. The process is ideally parallelizable, so I can run chunks of it on an infinite number of threads and each thread takes the same amount of time.
Since I have 4 cores, I don't expect any speedup by running more threads than cores, since a single core is only capable of running a single thread at a given moment. I don't know much about hardware, so this is only a guess.
Is there a benefit to running a parallelizable process on more threads than cores? In other words, will my process finish faster, slower, or in about the same amount of time if I run it using 4000 threads rather than 4 threads?
If your threads don't do I/O, synchronization, etc., and there's nothing else running, 1 thread per core will get you the best performance. However that very likely not the case. Adding more threads usually helps, but after some point, they cause some performance degradation.
Not long ago, I was doing performance testing on a 2 quad-core machine running an ASP.NET application on Mono under a pretty decent load. We played with the minimum and maximum number of threads and in the end we found out that for that particular application in that particular configuration the best throughput was somewhere between 36 and 40 threads. Anything outside those boundaries performed worse. Lesson learned? If I were you, I would test with different number of threads until you find the right number for your application.
One thing for sure: 4k threads will take longer. That's a lot of context switches.
I agree with #Gonzalo's answer. I have a process that doesn't do I/O, and here is what I've found:
Note that all threads work on one array but different ranges (two threads do not access the same index), so the results may differ if they've worked on different arrays.
The 1.86 machine is a macbook air with an SSD. The other mac is an iMac with a normal HDD (I think it's 7200 rpm). The windows machine also has a 7200 rpm HDD.
In this test, the optimal number was equal to the number of cores in the machine.
I know this question is rather old, but things have evolved since 2009.
There are two things to take into account now: the number of cores, and the number of threads that can run within each core.
With Intel processors, the number of threads is defined by the Hyperthreading which is just 2 (when available). But Hyperthreading cuts your execution time by two, even when not using 2 threads! (i.e. 1 pipeline shared between two processes -- this is good when you have more processes, not so good otherwise. More cores are definitively better!) Note that modern CPUs generally have more pipelines to divide the workload, so it's no really divided by two anymore. But Hyperthreading still shares a lot of the CPU units between the two threads (some call those logical CPUs).
On other processors you may have 2, 4, or even 8 threads. So if you have 8 cores each of which support 8 threads, you could have 64 processes running in parallel without context switching.
"No context switching" is obviously not true if you run with a standard operating system which will do context switching for all sorts of other things out of your control. But that's the main idea. Some OSes let you allocate processors so only your application has access/usage of said processor!
From my own experience, if you have a lot of I/O, multiple threads is good. If you have very heavy memory intensive work (read source 1, read source 2, fast computation, write) then having more threads doesn't help. Again, this depends on how much data you read/write simultaneously (i.e. if you use SSE 4.2 and read 256 bits values, that stops all threads in their step... in other words, 1 thread is probably a lot easier to implement and probably nearly as speedy if not actually faster. This will depend on your process & memory architecture, some advanced servers manage separate memory ranges for separate cores so separate threads will be faster assuming your data is properly filed... which is why, on some architectures, 4 processes will run faster than 1 process with 4 threads.)
The answer depends on the complexity of the algorithms used in the program. I came up with a method to calculate the optimal number of threads by making two measurements of processing times Tn and Tm for two arbitrary number of threads ‘n’ and ‘m’. For linear algorithms, the optimal number of threads will be N = sqrt ( (mn(Tm*(n-1) – Tn*(m-1)))/(nTn-mTm) ) .
Please read my article regarding calculations of the optimal number for various algorithms: pavelkazenin.wordpress.com
The actual performance will depend on how much voluntary yielding each thread will do. For example, if the threads do NO I/O at all and use no system services (i.e. they're 100% cpu-bound) then 1 thread per core is the optimal. If the threads do anything that requires waiting, then you'll have to experiment to determine the optimal number of threads. 4000 threads would incur significant scheduling overhead, so that's probably not optimal either.
I thought I'd add another perspective here. The answer depends on whether the question is assuming weak scaling or strong scaling.
From Wikipedia:
Weak scaling: how the solution time varies with the number of processors for a fixed problem size per processor.
Strong scaling: how the solution time varies with the number of processors for a fixed total problem size.
If the question is assuming weak scaling then #Gonzalo's answer suffices. However if the question is assuming strong scaling, there's something more to add. In strong scaling you're assuming a fixed workload size so if you increase the number of threads, the size of the data that each thread needs to work on decreases. On modern CPUs memory accesses are expensive and would be preferable to maintain locality by keeping the data in caches. Therefore, the likely optimal number of threads can be found when the dataset of each thread fits in each core's cache (I'm not going into the details of discussing whether it's L1/L2/L3 cache(s) of the system).
This holds true even when the number of threads exceeds the number of cores. For example assume there's 8 arbitrary unit (or AU) of work in the program which will be executed on a 4 core machine.
Case 1: run with four threads where each thread needs to complete 2AU. Each thread takes 10s to complete (with a lot of cache misses). With four cores the total amount of time will be 10s (10s * 4 threads / 4 cores).
Case 2: run with eight threads where each thread needs to complete 1AU. Each thread takes only 2s (instead of 5s because of the reduced amount of cache misses). With four cores the total amount of time will be 4s (2s * 8 threads / 4 cores).
I've simplified the problem and ignored overheads mentioned in other answers (e.g., context switches) but hope you get the point that it might be beneficial to have more number of threads than the available number of cores, depending on the data size you're dealing with.
4000 threads at one time is pretty high.
The answer is yes and no. If you are doing a lot of blocking I/O in each thread, then yes, you could show significant speedups doing up to probably 3 or 4 threads per logical core.
If you are not doing a lot of blocking things however, then the extra overhead with threading will just make it slower. So use a profiler and see where the bottlenecks are in each possibly parallel piece. If you are doing heavy computations, then more than 1 thread per CPU won't help. If you are doing a lot of memory transfer, it won't help either. If you are doing a lot of I/O though such as for disk access or internet access, then yes multiple threads will help up to a certain extent, or at the least make the application more responsive.
Benchmark.
I'd start ramping up the number of threads for an application, starting at 1, and then go to something like 100, run three-five trials for each number of threads, and build yourself a graph of operation speed vs. number of threads.
You should that the four thread case is optimal, with slight rises in runtime after that, but maybe not. It may be that your application is bandwidth limited, ie, the dataset you're loading into memory is huge, you're getting lots of cache misses, etc, such that 2 threads are optimal.
You can't know until you test.
You will find how many threads you can run on your machine by running htop or ps command that returns number of process on your machine.
You can use man page about 'ps' command.
man ps
If you want to calculate number of all users process, you can use one of these commands:
ps -aux| wc -l
ps -eLf | wc -l
Calculating number of an user process:
ps --User root | wc -l
Also, you can use "htop" [Reference]:
Installing on Ubuntu or Debian:
sudo apt-get install htop
Installing on Redhat or CentOS:
yum install htop
dnf install htop [On Fedora 22+ releases]
If you want to compile htop from source code, you will find it here.
The ideal is 1 thread per core, as long as none of the threads will block.
One case where this may not be true: there are other threads running on the core, in which case more threads may give your program a bigger slice of the execution time.
One example of lots of threads ("thread pool") vs one per core is that of implementing a web-server in Linux or in Windows.
Since sockets are polled in Linux a lot of threads may increase the likelihood of one of them polling the right socket at the right time - but the overall processing cost will be very high.
In Windows the server will be implemented using I/O Completion Ports - IOCPs - which will make the application event driven: if an I/O completes the OS launches a stand-by thread to process it. When the processing has completed (usually with another I/O operation as in a request-response pair) the thread returns to the IOCP port (queue) to wait for the next completion.
If no I/O has completed there is no processing to be done and no thread is launched.
Indeed, Microsoft recommends no more than one thread per core in IOCP implementations. Any I/O may be attached to the IOCP mechanism. IOCs may also be posted by the application, if necessary.
speaking from computation and memory bound point of view (scientific computing) 4000 threads will make application run really slow. Part of the problem is a very high overhead of context switching and most likely very poor memory locality.
But it also depends on your architecture. From where I heard Niagara processors are suppose to be able to handle multiple threads on a single core using some kind of advanced pipelining technique. However I have no experience with those processors.
Hope this makes sense, Check the CPU and Memory utilization and put some threshold value. If the threshold value is crossed,don't allow to create new thread else allow...