I have a game that I've made in XNA 4.0 using C# (Visual Studio 2010 express). My issue that it's running significantly faster with debugging than when I run the executable directly. I did try switching to release mode and encountered the same performance. Any ideas on what could cause this?
Thanks in advance.
Make sure the XNA game is full screen. In my experiences, I notice frame decreases in the windowed mode.
You also need to check what is happening using Debug -> Start Performance Analysis. This will allow you to see what methods are using up memory and usage.
If in the case that your game has advanced collision detection, be sure to implement multithreading in that aspect. When I make games, I use a ThreadPool to handle the collision aspect.
I hope some of this helps.
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I used to have the ability to inspect shaders in Visual Studio 2012, but now I've lost it. The UI doesn't actually crash, but the modeless popup message saying "This may take a few minutes" never bears fruit. I found a post at another site claiming that installing VS2012 Update 3 fixed the problem, but that hasn't helped in my case.
Back when using Pix was an option, I found that rendering outside of a BeginPaint() / EndPaint() pair for speed would cause debugging issues, but again that hasn't been the issue this time.
More info: There is a warning message initially, "Debugging information for 'YourApp.exe' cannot be found or does not match. No native symbols in symbol file". This is as I'd expect, as the main app is managed, with the DirectX work being handled via an unmanaged engine DLL that loads slightly later (once I know what bit version to use).
Tombola, I'm a developer on the Graphics Debugger in Visual Studio. As you've seen 2013 preview added some big stability and scaling improvements to the Graphics Debugger. What you were probably seeing before was a playback engine crash while attempting to start shader debugging. The Graphics Debugger tool shipped with some stability issues in VS 2012, but since then Update 2 and now VS2013 (RTM should also improve quite a bit over preview) have helped this issues greatly.
Have you tried debugging the first draw call in the frame?
The further down the frame, the more DirectX calls that are made before the shader executes, the longer the debugger takes to start; it can take a really long time for a complex scene.
If even the first draw call fails to start debugging, perhaps try commenting out code to reduce the number of API calls and see if there is a particular operation which causes the problem.
It turns out that VS2013 preview can debug all the shaders in VS2012 .vsglog files without difficulty (nb. express build lacks auto and watch windows for shaders). This requires Windows 8.1 preview of course. Setting these two up inside a dedicated virtual machine for safety costs about 8 gig (32 bit, VirtualBox).
I have an OpenGL application, which is running very well. But when i create a menu and make it visible to the scene, the startup of the application turns very slow. I would like to run a performance analysis to that function, to check where is Visual Studio spending that much time. Is it possible to get that kind of deep details into performance?
Thanks in advanced,
John
I would recommend using the ANTS Performance Profiler 8 - I know it can zero in to the function/line to show you where the bottleneck is. They do provide a free trial and it is easy to use.
I'm trying to use Mono for Android; so far so good.
But debugging in VS2010 it's very, very slow. Step by step debugging it's even more slow!
Is something wrong with my installation, or this is the case for Mono for Android ?
Thanks,
Alex
Using the debugger in the current release of Mono for Android is indeed very slow. It's an issue that I know is high on the team's priority list, but in the meantime it's pretty rough. I would suggest running your app without the debugger when possible, and then make use of logging in order to see what's going on when you need to.
It looks like this may be addressed in the latest release: http://android.xamarin.com/Releases/Mono_for_Android_1/Release_1.0.3
"Improved Debugger Performance: both stepping over your .NET code and examining variables is significantly faster. We eliminated some major bottlenecks caused by roundtrips from Visual Studio to the device and this has resulted in faster debugging and faster exploration of your variables."
I have a WinForms application that uses XNA to animate 3D models in a control. The app have been doing just fine for months but recently I've started to experience periodic pauses in the animation. Setting out to investigate what is going on I have established these facts:
It happens on my machine only, other machines works fine
Removing everything from my render loop does not improve the problem
In 2. I didn't actually remove everything, I limited my loop to set the viewport on my GraphicsDevice and then do a GraphicsDevice.Present.
Trying to dig further I fired up PIX to capture some statistics. Screenshots of two PIX runs can be viewed here (Run6) and here (Run14). Run6 is using my original render loop and Run14 is using the bare-bones Present loop.
PIX tells me that the GPU is periodically doing something, and I assume this is causing the pauses. What could be the cause of this? Or how do I go about finding out what the GPU is actually doing?
Update: since I usually trust my code to be perfect (who's laughing?) I started a new XNA project from scratch to see if it exhibit the same behavior. So starting a new XNA 3.1 Windows Game project and running PIX I get this timeline. The same periodic pauses. So the problem must be lower in the stack, in XNA or Direct3D.
So PIX shows that the GPU is working on something, I can see the list of DX calls made within each frame and the timing calculations shows that the pause occurs during (or after) the IDirect3DDevice9::Present call.
Update 2: I had previously installed and uninstalled XNA 4.0 CTP on the problematic machine. I cannot be certain that this is related but I thought that perhaps a reinstall of the XNA Game Studio 3.1 bits could make a difference. Turns out it did.
The underlying question remains the same (and the bounty is still up): what could affect XNA 3.1 (or DirectX) to make it behave like this and is there any logging/tracing power tool for the DirectX and/or GPU level out there that could shed some light on what is going on?
Note: I'm using XNA 3.1 on a Windows 7 x64 dual-core machine with 8GB RAM.
Note2: also posted this question on the XNA Creators forums here.
You could try to see if you can find something with Xperf that is close to your periodically problem, do not run your application but keep the programs open that would normally run besides your application. You could also try to do it again with the application running but it could give a cluttered view.
Start the tracing, do this in an elevated prompt.
xperf -on BASE+LATENCY -stackWalk Profile
Wait for a fair amount of time to be sure that the problem is traced.
Stop the tracing and open it like this.
xperf -d trace.etl
xperfview trace.etl
Analyze by looking at the graphs and consulting tables of specific intervals and see if you can find something that is related to the problem, the highest chance on finding it would be in the DPC and Interrupts section. But it might as well be something odd at the CPU or I/O section. Good luck!
Also more information on Xperf and how to obtain it, hopefully this delivers results.
If not, you can alternatively try GPUView which has been used for improvements in DWM,
this is also included next to Xperf with the Windows Performance Toolkit so you can easily try both!
log v
... wait for a fair amount of time to be sure that the problem is traced ...
log
gpuview merged.etl
In the case that gpuview gets out of memory you can try to add "/limit 3" or remove the v.
Read the documentation of the tools if you are stuck somewhere.
Hmm ... this seems to be occurring on the GPU, however it sounds like a CPU garbage collection issue. Can you run the CLR profiler and see if you can see any spikes in GC activity that you can correlate to the slowdowns?
I agree that it sounds unlikely since you can clearly see it in PIX, but it might offer a clue as to the cause.
If it's only happening on your own machine, then could it be drivers? Forgive me for being skeptical, but it's a 64 bit machine after all :D
This looks like either a vsync issue or GPU in its last throes. Since going back to a different version fixed it, and the "bottleneck" is in IDirect3DDevice9::Present lets go with the former option.
I'm not familiar with XNA so I don't know how much of the workings of D3D are exposed, but do you know what your PresentationParameters are set to?
Specifically try setting the swap effect set to Discard.
I saw that Beta 1 of VS2010 was publicly availible.
My question to those of you who has tried it is: does it work good?
Will it cause my computer to blow up in tiny pieces? Will it crash randomly? Will it work with some minor glitches? Or is it just perfect from bottom up?
I'm only coding school- and hobby-stuff, so nothing that someones life depend upon, but i still want software that works. How close to a final product is it? Is it worth trying?
It's a bit slow, and there's no offline MSDN, but it's worth trying IMO. Having said that it's slow, I still use it on my NC10 netbook, so it's clearly not that bad :)
I've got it side-by-side VS2008, and that hasn't caused any problems.
I've seen a couple of glitches (once the keyboard handling went completely wonky) but it's certainly usable. The main question is what you want to get out of trying it - in my case I absolutely need to code against C# 4 to explore the new features. I do most of that from the command line in fact, where the speed of VS obviously isn't an issue, but it's nice to see the VS-specific features as well (like the debug threading views for Parallel Extensions).
It seems more or less usable on the .NET side. The C++ side is a bit more sketchy. On one hand, they've added support for some very nice new C++0x features, on the other, they've broken some absolute fundamentals.
Your plain old main function won't compile in 32-bit with unicode enabled. (Workarounds: Either compile as 64-bit, disable unicode, or rename the function to wmain).
This seems to me to be a strong hint that the C++ side of things is nowhere near release-worthy. I'd probably wait for beta2 before doing any serious work with that.
I would say it is great, but the performance hurts a bit.
Here is an idea for you: Install it into a VirtualPC. Then you can play and not care what it does. You don't like it, delete the VPC image and keep on trucking. That is how I play with Microsoft betas now. I never install them on any real machine - too risky.
Usable: Yes.
Recommended: Not if you'r a touchpad-addict or dislike crashing apps.
I've been trying it for 2 weeks now coding small C#-projects and these are my impressions
Reasons to use 2010:
Looks good
Multi monitor support
I can see myself using the code templating but right now i couldnt find any really useful stuff except for reducing the fontsize of comments.
Zoom in the editor
Select a variable and then press shift+up/down to go to next usage of this variable
Ctrl+, brings up instant search of classes and functions in the entire project. (i've become really addicted to this)
Floating watches for single objects
Reasons to not use 2010:
TOUCHPAD SCROLL DOESN'T WORK IN THE EDITOR!!! (this is reason enough to not upgrade if you are using it on a laptop)
I've had some random app-crashes in the middle of just writing code, once or twice per day maybe.
UI sometimes freezes randomly for about 30seconds and then returns to normal.
It started to use 100% CPU power from one of my cores once when it was minimized in basic editing-mode and i was doing other stuff in other programs, i only noticed it because the fan started to go wild.
Otherwhise it's pretty similar to 2008. I haven't noticed any difference in speed like other people say.
You need to ask yourself: what is the advantage for you in using VS2010 over VS2008? I would suggest that there is no advantage if all you are doing is "school- and hobby-stuff".
I'm still using VS2008 for business related stuff (and, indeed, VC6 for some stuff). I prefer to wait until all the early adopters have tested it (and Microsoft has released at least one service pack after the real product release) before I do their testing for them.
It seems to co-exist with other versions of VS without causing any problems.
Regarding the slowness - it seems to be the UI that is slow, rather than building. Once it's going it doesn't seem much slower on my fast quadcore. I've yet to try it on my laptop.
It's usable enough, the small glitches that I've encounter weren't that bad. However, certain VS extensions(like XNA) don't work in VS2010 at the moment.
It's fun to toy with. Not usable for me, cause re#er does not support it yet (had to install TestDriven .NET which works through keyboard shortcuts only to run my tests).
Gave me an insight how addicted I am. :/
Btw, on Win7, without virtual pc it seemed even faster than vs2008 for me.
VS2010 doesn't yet support mobile device projects, which might or might not matter to you.
VC++ wise - VS2010 has a built-in 64-bit compiler, VS2008 does not.
You can supposedly add 64-bit support to VS2008, but it takes some effort.
I've been using VS 2010 beta (with .NET 4.0 beta) on Windows 7 RC. I've been trying to rewrite parts of a large-scale business application in it to see what can be done with it.
The UI freezes frequently. I'm talking 1-10 minutes between freezes. The UI does not come back, so I'm forced to kill devenv.exe every time it happens. Microsoft probably puts my error reports in their spam folder by now.
For me, VS 2010 beta 1 classifies as unusable. However, it's fast, the new IDE functions are very handy, and it's pretty. I keep coming back to it despite my resolutions to wait for a stable build.