Does generating two random numbers over just one affect the result? - random

I need to generate a random number between 1 and 52, for a card game (I know how to).
I could either use random (52) to directly reference each card in the pack, or I could do random(4) and random(13) to get the Suit and Value separately.
I can get the suit and value from the number between 1 and 52 with r div 13 and r mod 13 + 1.
But I am wondering if generating two random numbers will affect the "randomness" of the outcome. As the numbers generates will be pseudo random numbers, so that could affect it in some way?
And if the low numbers 4 and 13 vs 52 don't make a difference, is there a value where this could become an issue?

If you're using a low-quality PRNG (like your average rand() implementation: Sure it'll affect stuff, but not in a way which is easily predictable without knowing your exact PRNG implementation and your exact code. Either one might be "better" than the other, for some value of "better".
If you're using a good-quality PRNG: Nah, doesn't matter. Go wild.

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Right way to permute [duplicate]

I've been using Random (java.util.Random) to shuffle a deck of 52 cards. There are 52! (8.0658175e+67) possibilities. Yet, I've found out that the seed for java.util.Random is a long, which is much smaller at 2^64 (1.8446744e+19).
From here, I'm suspicious whether java.util.Random is really that random; is it actually capable of generating all 52! possibilities?
If not, how can I reliably generate a better random sequence that can produce all 52! possibilities?
Selecting a random permutation requires simultaneously more and less randomness than what your question implies. Let me explain.
The bad news: need more randomness.
The fundamental flaw in your approach is that it's trying to choose between ~2226 possibilities using 64 bits of entropy (the random seed). To fairly choose between ~2226 possibilities you're going to have to find a way to generate 226 bits of entropy instead of 64.
There are several ways to generate random bits: dedicated hardware, CPU instructions, OS interfaces, online services. There is already an implicit assumption in your question that you can somehow generate 64 bits, so just do whatever you were going to do, only four times, and donate the excess bits to charity. :)
The good news: need less randomness.
Once you have those 226 random bits, the rest can be done deterministically and so the properties of java.util.Random can be made irrelevant. Here is how.
Let's say we generate all 52! permutations (bear with me) and sort them lexicographically.
To choose one of the permutations all we need is a single random integer between 0 and 52!-1. That integer is our 226 bits of entropy. We'll use it as an index into our sorted list of permutations. If the random index is uniformly distributed, not only are you guaranteed that all permutations can be chosen, they will be chosen equiprobably (which is a stronger guarantee than what the question is asking).
Now, you don't actually need to generate all those permutations. You can produce one directly, given its randomly chosen position in our hypothetical sorted list. This can be done in O(n2) time using the Lehmer[1] code (also see numbering permutations and factoriadic number system). The n here is the size of your deck, i.e. 52.
There is a C implementation in this StackOverflow answer. There are several integer variables there that would overflow for n=52, but luckily in Java you can use java.math.BigInteger. The rest of the computations can be transcribed almost as-is:
public static int[] shuffle(int n, BigInteger random_index) {
int[] perm = new int[n];
BigInteger[] fact = new BigInteger[n];
fact[0] = BigInteger.ONE;
for (int k = 1; k < n; ++k) {
fact[k] = fact[k - 1].multiply(BigInteger.valueOf(k));
}
// compute factorial code
for (int k = 0; k < n; ++k) {
BigInteger[] divmod = random_index.divideAndRemainder(fact[n - 1 - k]);
perm[k] = divmod[0].intValue();
random_index = divmod[1];
}
// readjust values to obtain the permutation
// start from the end and check if preceding values are lower
for (int k = n - 1; k > 0; --k) {
for (int j = k - 1; j >= 0; --j) {
if (perm[j] <= perm[k]) {
perm[k]++;
}
}
}
return perm;
}
public static void main (String[] args) {
System.out.printf("%s\n", Arrays.toString(
shuffle(52, new BigInteger(
"7890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890"))));
}
[1] Not to be confused with Lehrer. :)
Your analysis is correct: seeding a pseudo-random number generator with any specific seed must yield the same sequence after a shuffle, limiting the number of permutations that you could obtain to 264. This assertion is easy to verify experimentally by calling Collection.shuffle twice, passing a Random object initialized with the same seed, and observing that the two random shuffles are identical.
A solution to this, then, is to use a random number generator that allows for a larger seed. Java provides SecureRandom class that could be initialized with byte[] array of virtually unlimited size. You could then pass an instance of SecureRandom to Collections.shuffle to complete the task:
byte seed[] = new byte[...];
Random rnd = new SecureRandom(seed);
Collections.shuffle(deck, rnd);
In general, a pseudorandom number generator (PRNG) can't choose from among all permutations of a 52-item list if its maximum cycle length is less than 226 bits.
java.util.Random implements an algorithm with a modulus of 248 and a maximum cycle length of not more than that, so much less than 2226 (corresponding to the 226 bits I referred to). You will need to use another PRNG with a bigger cycle length, specifically one with a maximum cycle length of 52 factorial or greater.
See also "Shuffling" in my article on random number generators.
This consideration is independent of the nature of the PRNG; it applies equally to cryptographic and noncryptographic PRNGs (of course, noncryptographic PRNGs are inappropriate whenever information security is involved).
Although java.security.SecureRandom allows seeds of unlimited length to be passed in, the SecureRandom implementation could use an underlying PRNG (e.g., "SHA1PRNG" or "DRBG"). And it depends on that PRNG's maximum cycle length whether it's capable of choosing from among 52 factorial permutations.
Let me apologize in advance, because this is a little tough to understand...
First of all, you already know that java.util.Random is not completely random at all. It generates sequences in a perfectly predictable way from the seed. You are completely correct that, since the seed is only 64 bits long, it can only generate 2^64 different sequences. If you were to somehow generate 64 real random bits and use them to select a seed, you could not use that seed to randomly choose between all of the 52! possible sequences with equal probability.
However, this fact is of no consequence as long as you're not actually going to generate more than 2^64 sequences, as long as there is nothing 'special' or 'noticeably special' about the 2^64 sequences that it can generate.
Lets say you had a much better PRNG that used 1000-bit seeds. Imagine you had two ways to initialize it -- one way would initialize it using the whole seed, and one way would hash the seed down to 64 bits before initializing it.
If you didn't know which initializer was which, could you write any kind of test to distinguish them? Unless you were (un)lucky enough to end up initializing the bad one with the same 64 bits twice, then the answer is no. You could not distinguish between the two initializers without some detailed knowledge of some weakness in the specific PRNG implementation.
Alternatively, imagine that the Random class had an array of 2^64 sequences that were selected completely and random at some time in the distant past, and that the seed was just an index into this array.
So the fact that Random uses only 64 bits for its seed is actually not necessarily a problem statistically, as long as there is no significant chance that you will use the same seed twice.
Of course, for cryptographic purposes, a 64 bit seed is just not enough, because getting a system to use the same seed twice is computationally feasible.
EDIT:
I should add that, even though all of the above is correct, that the actual implementation of java.util.Random is not awesome. If you are writing a card game, maybe use the MessageDigest API to generate the SHA-256 hash of "MyGameName"+System.currentTimeMillis(), and use those bits to shuffle the deck. By the above argument, as long as your users are not really gambling, you don't have to worry that currentTimeMillis returns a long. If your users are really gambling, then use SecureRandom with no seed.
I'm going to take a bit of a different tack on this. You're right on your assumptions - your PRNG isn't going to be able to hit all 52! possibilities.
The question is: what's the scale of your card game?
If you're making a simple klondike-style game? Then you definitely don't need all 52! possibilities. Instead, look at it like this: a player will have 18 quintillion distinct games. Even accounting for the 'Birthday Problem', they'd have to play billions of hands before they'd run into the first duplicate game.
If you're making a monte-carlo simulation? Then you're probably okay. You might have to deal with artifacts due to the 'P' in PRNG, but you're probably not going to run into problems simply due to a low seed space (again, you're looking at quintillions of unique possibilities.) On the flip side, if you're working with large iteration count, then, yeah, your low seed space might be a deal-breaker.
If you're making a multiplayer card game, particularly if there's money on the line? Then you're going to need to do some googling on how the online poker sites handled the same problem you're asking about. Because while the low seed space issue isn't noticeable to the average player, it is exploitable if it's worth the time investment. (The poker sites all went through a phase where their PRNGs were 'hacked', letting someone see the hole cards of all the other players, simply by deducing the seed from exposed cards.) If this is the situation you're in, don't simply find a better PRNG - you'll need to treat it as seriously as a Crypto problem.
Short solution which is essentially the same of dasblinkenlight:
// Java 7
SecureRandom random = new SecureRandom();
// Java 8
SecureRandom random = SecureRandom.getInstanceStrong();
Collections.shuffle(deck, random);
You don't need to worry about the internal state. Long explanation why:
When you create a SecureRandom instance this way, it accesses an OS specific
true random number generator. This is either an entropy pool where values are
accessed which contain random bits (e.g. for a nanosecond timer the nanosecond
precision is essentially random) or an internal hardware number generator.
This input (!) which may still contain spurious traces are fed into a
cryptographically strong hash which removes those traces. That is the reason those CSPRNGs are used, not for creating those numbers themselves! The SecureRandom has a counter which traces how many bits were used (getBytes(), getLong() etc.) and refills the SecureRandom with entropy bits when necessary.
In short: Simply forget objections and use SecureRandom as true random number generator.
If you consider the number as just an array of bits (or bytes) then maybe you could use the (Secure)Random.nextBytes solutions suggested in this Stack Overflow question, and then map the array into a new BigInteger(byte[]).
A very simple algorithm is to apply SHA-256 to a sequence of integers incrementing from 0 upwards. (A salt can be appended if desired to "get a different sequence".) If we assume that the output of SHA-256 is "as good as" uniformly distributed integers between 0 and 2256 - 1 then we have enough entropy for the task.
To get a permutation from the output of SHA256 (when expressed as an integer) one simply needs to reduce it modulo 52, 51, 50... as in this pseudocode:
deck = [0..52]
shuffled = []
r = SHA256(i)
while deck.size > 0:
pick = r % deck.size
r = floor(r / deck.size)
shuffled.append(deck[pick])
delete deck[pick]
My Empirical research results are Java.Random is not totally truly random. If you try yourself by using Random class "nextGaussian()"-method and generate enough big sample population for numbers between -1 and 1, the graph is normal distbruted field know as Gaussian Model.
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My best picks are avoiding numbers 3 and 7 in each of ending ones and that's true that they are rarely in winning results. Couple of times won five out of five picks by avoiding 3 and 7 numbers in ones column in Integer between 1-70 (Keno).
Finnish Lottery drawn once per week Saturday evenings If you play System with 12 numbers out of 39, perhaps you get 5 or 6 right picks in your coupon by avoiding 3 and 7 values.
Finnish Lottery have numbers 1-40 to choose and it takes 4 coupon to cover all the nnumbers with 12 number system. The total cost is 240 euros and in long term it's too expensive for the regural gambler to play without going broke. Even if you share coupons to other customers available to buy still you have to be quite a lucky if you want to make profit.

Generate random number in interval in PostScript

I am struggling to find a way to generate a random number within a given interval in PostScript.
Basically PostScript has three functions to help you generate (pseudo-)random numbers. Those are rand, srand and rrand.
The later two are for passing a seed to the number generator to be able to reproduce specific results. At least that´s what I understood they are for. Anyway they don´t seem suitable for my case.
So rand seems to be the only function I can use to generate a random number, but...
rand returns a random integer in the range 0 to 231 − 1 (From the PostScript Language Reference, page 637 (651 in the PDF))
This is far beyond the the interval I´m looking for. I am more interested in values up to small thousands, maybe 10.000 or something like that and small float values, up to 100, all with the lower limit of 0.
I thought I could just narrow my numbers down by simple divisions and extracting the root but that tends to give me unusable small values in quite a lot cases. I am wondering if there are robust ways to either shrink a large number down to what I need or, I´d prefer that, only generate numbers in the desired interval.
Besides: while-loops are not possible in PostScript, otherwise I´d have written a function to generate numbers until they fit in my interval.
Any hints on what to look for breaking numbers down into my interval?
mod is often good enough and it's fast. But you may get a more uniform distribution by using floating-point ops.
rand 16#7fffffff div 100 mul cvi
This is because mod discards the upper bits of the input. And the PRNG is usually trying to randomize over all the bits. By scaling down then up, they all contribute something in the way of rounding effects.
Just use the modulo operator to get it down to the size you want:
GS>rand 100 mod stack
7

How exactly does PC/Mac generates random numbers for either 0 or 1?

This question is NOT about how to use any language to generate a random number between any interval. It is about generating either 0 or 1.
I understand that many random generator algorithm manipulate the very basic random(0 or 1) function and take seed from users and use an algorithm to generate various random numbers as needed.
The question is that how the CPU generate either 0 or 1? If I throw a coin, I can generate head or tailer. That's because I physically throw a coin and let the nature decide. But how does CPU do it? There must be an action that the CPU does (like throwing a coin) to get either 0 or 1 randomly, right?
Could anyone tell me about it?
Thanks
(This has several facets and thus several algorithms. Keep in mind that there are many different forms of randomness used for different purposes, but I understand your question in the way that you are interested in actual randomness used for cryptography.)
The fundamental problem here is that computers are (mostly) deterministic machines. Given the same input in the same state they always yield the same result. However, there are a few ways of actually gathering entropy:
User input. Since users bring outside input into the system you can take that to derive some bits from that. Similar to how you could use radioactive decay or line noise.
Network activity. Again, an outside source of stuff.
Generally interrupts (which kinda include the first two).
As alluded to in the first item, noise from peripherals, such as audio input or a webcam can be used.
There is dedicated hardware that can generate a few hundred MiB of randomness per second. Usually they give you random numbers directly instead of their internal entropy, though.
How exactly you derive bits from that is up to you but you could use time between events, or actual content from the events, etc. – generally eliminating bias from entropy sources isn't easy or trivial and a lot of thought and algorithmic work goes into that (in the case of the aforementioned special hardware this is all done in hardware and the code using it doesn't need to care about it).
Once you have a pool of actually random bits you can just use them as random numbers (/dev/random on Linux does that). But this has downsides, since there is usually little actual entropy and possibly a higher demand for random numbers. So you can invent algorithms to “stretch” that initial randomness in a manner that makes it still impossible or at least very difficult to predict anything about following numbers (/dev/urandom on Linux or both /dev/random and /dev/urandom on FreeBSD do that). Fortuna and Yarrow are so-called cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generators and designed with that in mind. You still have a very good guarantee about the quality of random numbers you generate, but have many more before your entropy pool runs out.
In any case, the CPU itself cannot give you a random 0 or 1. There's a lot more involved and this usually includes the complete computer system or special hardware built for that purpose.
There is also a second class of computational randomness: Plain vanilla pseudo-random number generators (PRNGs). What I said earlier about determinism – this is the embodiment of it. Given the same so-called seed a PRNG will yield the exact same sequence of numbers every time¹. While this sounds idiotic it has practical benefits.
Suppose you run a simulation involving lots of random numbers, maybe to simulate interaction between molecules or atoms that involve certain probabilities and unpredictable behaviour. In science you want results anyone can independently verify, given the same setup and procedure (or, with computing, the same algorithms). If you used actual randomness the only option you have would be to save every single random number used to make sure others can replicate the results independently.
But with a PRNG all you need to save is the seed and remember what algorithm you used. Others can then get the exact same sequence of pseudo-random numbers independently. Very nice property to have :-)
Footnotes
¹ This even includes the CSPRNGs mentioned above, but they are designed to be used in a special way that includes regular re-seeding with entropy to overcome that problem.
A CPU can only generate a uniform random number, U(0,1), which happens to range from 0 to 1. So mathematically, it would be defined as a random variable U in the range [0,1]. Examples of random draws of a U(0,1) random number in the range 0 to 1 would be 0.28100002, 0.34522, 0.7921, etc. The probability of any value between 0 and 1 is equal, i.e., they are equiprobable.
You can generate binary random variates that are either 0 or 1 by setting a random draw of U(0,1) to a 0 if U(0,1)<=0.5 and 1 if U(0,1)>0.5, since in theory there will be an equal number of random draws of U(0,1) below 0.5 and above 0.5.

Does Kernel::srand have a maximum input value?

I'm trying to seed a random number generator with the output of a hash. Currently I'm computing a SHA-1 hash, converting it to a giant integer, and feeding it to srand to initialize the RNG. This is so that I can get a predictable set of random numbers for an set of infinite cartesian coordinates (I'm hashing the coordinates).
I'm wondering whether Kernel::srand actually has a maximum value that it'll take, after which it truncates it in some way. The docs don't really make this obvious - they just say "a number".
I'll try to figure it out myself, but I'm assuming somebody out there has run into this already.
Knowing what programmers are like, it probably just calls libc's srand(). Either way, it's probably limited to 2^32-1, 2^31-1, 2^16-1, or 2^15-1.
There's also a danger that the value is clipped when cast from a biginteger to a C int/long, instead of only taking the low-order bits.
An easy test is to seed with 1 and take the first output. Then, seed with 2i+1 for i in [1..64] or so, take the first output of each, and compare. If you get a match for some i=n and all greater is, then it's probably doing arithmetic modulo 2n.
Note that the random number generator is almost certainly limited to 32 or 48 bits of entropy anyway, so there's little point seeding it with a huge value, and an attacker can reasonably easily predict future outputs given past outputs (and an "attacker" could simply be a player on a public nethack server).
EDIT: So I was wrong.
According to the docs for Kernel::rand(),
Ruby currently uses a modified Mersenne Twister with a period of 2**19937-1.
This means it's not just a call to libc's rand(). The Mersenne Twister is statistically superior (but not cryptographically secure). But anyway.
Testing using Kernel::srand(0); Kernel::sprintf("%x",Kernel::rand(2**32)) for various output sizes (2*16, 2*32, 2*36, 2*60, 2*64, 2*32+1, 2*35, 2*34+1), a few things are evident:
It figures out how many bits it needs (number of bits in max-1).
It generates output in groups of 32 bits, most-significant-bits-first, and drops the top bits (i.e. 0x[r0][r1][r2][r3][r4] with the top bits masked off).
If it's not less than max, it does some sort of retry. It's not obvious what this is from the output.
If it is less than max, it outputs the result.
I'm not sure why 2*32+1 and 2*64+1 are special (they produce the same output from Kernel::rand(2**1024) so probably have the exact same state) — I haven't found another collision.
The good news is that it doesn't simply clip to some arbitrary maximum (i.e. passing in huge numbers isn't equivalent to passing in 2**31-1), which is the most obvious thing that can go wrong. Kernel::srand() also returns the previous seed, which appears to be 128-bit, so it seems likely to be safe to pass in something large.
EDIT 2: Of course, there's no guarantee that the output will be reproducible between different Ruby versions (the docs merely say what it "currently uses"; apparently this was initially committed in 2002). Java has several portable deterministic PRNGs (SecureRandom.getInstance("SHA1PRNG","SUN"), albeit slow); I'm not aware of something similar for Ruby.

Generating random number in a given range in Fortran 77

I am a beginner trying to do some engineering experiments using fortran 77. I am using Force 2.0 compiler and editor. I have the following queries:
How can I generate a random number between a specified range, e.g. if I need to generate a single random number between 3.0 and 10.0, how can I do that?
How can I use the data from a text file to be called in calculations in my program. e.g I have temperature, pressure and humidity values (hourly values for a day, so total 24 values in each text file).
Do I also need to define in the program how many values are there in the text file?
Knuth has released into the public domain sources in both C and FORTRAN for the pseudo-random number generator described in section 3.6 of The Art of Computer Programming.
2nd question:
If your file, for example, looks like:
hour temperature pressure humidity
00 15 101325 60
01 15 101325 60
... 24 of them, for each hour one
this simple program will read it:
implicit none
integer hour, temp, hum
real p
character(80) junkline
open(unit=1, file='name_of_file.dat', status='old')
rewind(1)
read(1,*)junkline
do 10 i=1,24
read(1,*)hour,temp,p,hum
C do something here ...
10 end
close(1)
end
(the indent is a little screwed up, but I don't know how to set it right in this weird environment)
My advice: read up on data types (INTEGER, REAL, CHARACTER), arrays (DIMENSION), input/output (READ, WRITE, OPEN, CLOSE, REWIND), and loops (DO, FOR), and you'll be doing useful stuff in no time.
I never did anything with random numbers, so I cannot help you there, but I think there are some intrinsic functions in fortran for that. I'll check it out, and report tomorrow. As for the 3rd question, I'm not sure what you ment (you don't know how many lines of data you'll be having in a file ? or ?)
You'll want to check your compiler manual for the specific random number generator function, but chances are it generates random numbers between 0 and 1. This is easy to handle - you just scale the interval to be the proper width, then shift it to match the proper starting point: i.e. to map r in [0, 1] to s in [a, b], use s = r*(b-a) + a, where r is the value you got from your random number generator and s is a random value in the range you want.
Idigas's answer covers your second question well - read in data using formatted input, then use them as you would any other variable.
For your third question, you will need to define how many lines there are in the text file only if you want to do something with all of them - if you're looking at reading the line, processing it, then moving on, you can get by without knowing the number of lines ahead of time. However, if you are looking to store all the values in the file (e.g. having arrays of temperature, humidity, and pressure so you can compute vapor pressure statistics), you'll need to set up storage somehow. Typically in FORTRAN 77, this is done by pre-allocating an array of a size larger than you think you'll need, but this can quickly become problematic. Is there any chance of switching to Fortran 90? The updated version has much better facilities for dealing with standardized dynamic memory allocation, not to mention many other advantages. I would strongly recommend using F90 if at all possible - you will make your life much easier.
Another option, depending on the type of processing you're doing, would be to investigate algorithms that use only single passes through data, so you won't need to store everything to compute things like means and standard deviations, for example.
This subroutine generate a random number in fortran 77 between 0 and ifin
where i is the seed; some great number such as 746397923
subroutine rnd001(xi,i,ifin)
integer*4 i,ifin
real*8 xi
i=i*54891
xi=i*2.328306e-10+0.5D00
xi=xi*ifin
return
end
You may modifies in order to take a certain range.

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