In the future I will be working with MVC with java/j2ee,hibernate,and more, but for now I have asp.net, php, python, ruby, etc. If I learn how to use MVC asp.net or MVC with a php framework, or RoR, will that help me with the Java version? I don't want to wait until I start the java project before I start really learning how to use MVC, but if the .net or php versions of mvc are so different that it will be a major relearning, then I might not use the non-java mvc frameworks.
In short, is learning MVC on one platform good for learning it on all platforms? I realize the tools and languages will be different, but my question is for general knowledge.
I hate working on things in a "special" way for a one time project that will show no future benefit.
Thank you.
MVC is all about splitting your application into 3 major parts. The model which contains most of the code that interacts with your database, the controller which accesses the model and gets the data it needs which then gets passed to the view which renders this for the user to see.
No matter which technology/framework you choose this basic principle will remain and only the technology used behind it will change.
For example if you went the PHP route and choose symfony as your web framework you would be using Doctrine or Propel as your model/ORM. If you used JBoss Seam you would be using Hibernate/JPA as your ORM and EJBs as your controllers.
Even though these 2 frameworks follow the same rules when it comes to separating logic from design they also require you to learn very different concepts to utilize them correctly.
For instance in JBoss Seam, the framework relies heavily on your knowledge of scope and stateless and stateful session beans where in symfony there is no such concept (sort of).
So whatever route you choose, there is still much to learn after you've mastered the concept of MVC.
MVC is a basic software architectural pattern. It's just an abstract concept. Its specific implementations will differ based on the language and platform you are using (as does everything), but the basic concepts remain the same.
So in a word: yes. Learn what MVC means as a concept and you'll be able to transfer that knowledge between platforms and technologies.
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I'm coming to SpringMVC from the world of PHP, precisely I was working with Symfony for several years.
For your information, in Symfony, there are plugins and bundles that are created by other developers so that you could use them in your project. When I come to Spring, I don't find these notions or may be I've missed something !?.
For example, I'm looking for a component that does the registration and login form, which I think that must be done many times already, and I don't want to reinvent the wheels certainly.
So, my question is, I wonder if in Spring, are there possibilities to have and how to use reusable components?
Authentication is directly supported by the Java EE spec. You don't even need any particular framework for that. Every web container supports it out of the box. If you want some additional functionalities (like remember-me, etc.), loot at spring-security.
I m a newbie & i m good at Struts framework. Today i tried a tutorial for Spring MVC Framework.
The example url that i tried following is as below:
http://static.springsource.org/docs/Spring-MVC-step-by-step/part6.html
I think they have made this tutorial much more complex especially near its end. I saw some errors mainly typos in part 5, part 6 of tutorial. I found Spring framework as not properly organized and how would we know what classes to extend especially when their names are so weird (pardon my language) e.g. AbstractTransactionalDataSourceSpringContextTests.
Overall i found that Spring is making things much more complex than it should be. I'm surprised why there is such a hype about Springs being very easy to learn.
any suggestion how to learn spring easily ? how to judge what to extend ? is there a quick reference or something?
The tutorial you have referred to covers all the layers of the application - data access, business logic and web. For someone who is looking to only get a feel of Spring MVC, which addresses concerns specific to the web layer of the application, this could be more information than required. Probably that is why you got the feeling that the tutorial is complex.
To answer your questions, Spring is easy to learn because the whole framework is designed to work with POJOs, instead of relying on special interfaces, abstract classes or such. Developers can write software as normal Java applications - interfaces, classes and enums and use Spring to wire the components up, without having to go out of the way to achieve the wiring. The tutorial you have referred to tries to explain things in a little bit more detail than experienced programmers would typically do in a real application, probably because the authors wanted the readers to get enough insight into how Spring works so that concepts are understood well.
In most applications (regardless of their size or nature), there is typically no need to extend Spring classes or to implement specialised classes. The Spring community is quite large and an even larger ecosystem of readily available components exists that integrate with Spring. It is therefore very rare that one has to implement a Spring component to achieve something. For example, let us take the example of the data access layer. Different teams like using different approaches to accessing databases. Some like raw JDBC, others like third-party ORMs like iBatis or Hibernate while some others like JPA. Spring distributions contain classes to support all these approaches. Similarly, lets say someone was looking to incorporate declarative transaction management in their application. Again, transaction management can be done in many different ways and a large number of transaction management products are available for people to use. Spring integration is available for most of these products, allowing teams to simply choose which product they want to use and configure it in their Spring application.
Recent Spring releases have mostly done away with extensive XML based configuration files, which being external to the Java code did make Spring application a bit cumbersome to understand. Many things can be done nowadays with annotations. For example,
#Controller
public class AuthenticationController
{
...
}
Indicates that AuthenticationController is a web MVC controller class. There are even ways to avoid using the Controller annotation and follow a convention-over-configuration approach to simplify coding even further.
A good and simple tutorial to Spring MVC is available at http://www.vaannila.com/spring/spring-mvc-tutorial-1.html. This tutorial uses XML based configuration for Spring beans instead of annotations but the concepts remain the same.
I have seen tutorial you follow , Its seems you have follow wrong one first , you first tried to simple one, Instead of tutorials you should go for book first
I recommend you two books to understand the power of Spring
spring in action and spring recipes.
For practical you can use STS a special ide for spring project development.Its have some predefined template you dont't need to write whole configuration yourself.
In starting just see simple tutorials like Spring mvc hello world , form controller than go for big ones
Spring is very cool , All the best.
Hi:
I am learning struts,however I was often confused by its configuration,sometimes I do know clearly why.
SO I wonder if there is any idea to write a simple mvc framework which need not have to be prowerful enough,just make me know more about the steps the struts-like framework do.
Any ideas?
MVC is really a paradigm, and if you simply want to get up an running with an mvc framework, you can look into groovy on grails (which is built on spring mvc) and should be easy to understand and quickly configure
If you want to be adventurous, you can play with django, which is the python framework for building web apps, though they prescribe to the mvp (model view presenter) pattern.
Additionally, http://www.springsource.org/roo may be a good fit for pure Java fans
Also, there is the Struts 2 tutorials which help.
http://struts.apache.org/2.x/docs/getting-started.html
I enjoy the "Bootstrap tutorials" which is a link at the bottom of the aforementioned page.
I know that an MVC framework allows you to separate business logic, data base access and presentation, but why do we need a framework to do this.
Can't we just keep our classes separated, perhaps using different packages/folders for the model, view and controller classes?
In my opinion the thing you are talking about is the MVC pattern and not a specific framework. Of course you can go and keep all your classes within one project and still use the MVC pattern, as you have all your UI code in the views, the logic in the controllers, ...
A MVC framework on the other hand makes it easier for you to use this pattern. It may provide some base classes for controllers and a mechanism for the communication between view and controller.
I don't know if you are familiar with ASP.NET MVC. The framework itself is very small, but it helps you developing an application with the MVC pattern, as you don't have do think about the previously decribed areas...
Hope this helps
An MVC framework is a framework written to split up the the business logic, database access and presentation.
This is very useful in most web applications, and now lately into software/desktop applications.
This is due to the fact that following the MVC model, your code will be much clearer, cleaner and you keep your application DRY (Do not Repeat Yourself).
You can write your own classes and separate them into Model, View and Control. But again, you will need a framework to help you in accomplishing certain tasks. Like a List control in ASP.NET, or PHP framework being able to help you translate text between languages and so on. (Oh why reinvent the wheel?!)
MVC and framework is a different thing. MVC is just an architectural pattern, which can be applied with any project, with or without framework.
So you don't need a framework to do this. You can separate them by yourself. :)
MVC stands for “MODEL” “VIEW” “CONTROLLER”. ASP.NET MVC is an architecture to develop ASP.NET web applications in a different manner than the traditional ASP.NET web development. Web applications developed with ASP.NET MVC are even more SEO (Search Engine) friendly.
Developing ASP.NET MVC application requires Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 or higher.
Model:
MVC model is basically a C# or VB.NET class.
A model is accessible by both controller and view.
A model can be used to
pass data from Controller to view.
A view can use model to display
data in page.
View:
View is an ASPX page without having a code behind file.
All page specific HTML generation and formatting can be done inside view.
One can use Inline code (server tags ) to develop dynamic pages.
A request to view (ASPX page) can be made only from a controller’s action method
Controller:
Controller is basically a C# or VB.NET class which inherits system.mvc.controller.
Controller is a heart of the entire MVC architecture.
Inside Controller’s class action methods can be implemented which are responsible for responding to browser OR calling views.
Controller can access and use model class to pass data to views
Controller uses ViewData to pass any data to view.
MVC is a code organization architecture style to organize your code-logic in a meaningful way for web applications. As a programmer I have almost puked when I have inherited other people's code when their code logic is all over the place and following their web application code turns into following a rabbit down the gutter hole. Why MVC? hmm.. well why should I use a filing cabinet or folders to organize my plethora of paper and not just have my papers stashed in a large pile and have others figure how they connect to each other. It increases code readability. With MVC it becomes very easy to follow code logic since you are following standard structure for a web application. Business logic is separated out from UI. Easier to delegate work decouple work on a project.
You can of course approach it yourself by segregating your classes. A framework supplies common scaffolding that you wouldn't have to build yourself. But it will also impose some structure on your code. You'll have to evaluate whether the framework helps more than it hurts.
You are correct, there are strategies that you can implement to help with separation of concerns without using MVC.
Microsoft's ASP.NET MVC framework is one strategy that can be employed, and that is what I think you are asking about.
This MVC framework makes such separation of concerns easy.
The other major advantage of MVC is testability - (depends on whether you believe in unit testing - I do).
The MVC framework ensures that all orchestration logic is on your controllers and through the FormControls collection allows full unit testing of all aspects of your application except for how it is presented.
As the MS MVC framework encourages adherence to common rules and structure of the application which should lead to greater maintainability.
The major downside of MVC is the code-in-front code weaving required for presentation, but this can be easily overcome.
Perhaps this is just a linguistic thing. I've seen "frameworks" referring to themselves as a DSL -- Domain Specific Language.
And you don't need a framework But here's something to consider: You already know for a web app you're going to want to do a few common things... route URLs, render pages, etc. Why re-write it all? For other problem domains you'll have generic things to do as well.
Hai Friends There are somemany types of architecture frame work has been there,firstly i know 2tier and 3 tier frame work ,the 3 tier and mvc ,entity framework are same but in different name's,so study a good background in any one architecture there fore if you went to any multinational companies ,you can easly score/highlight to your carrer.
Model View Controller or MVC as it is popularly called, is a software design
pattern for developing web applications. A Model View Controller pattern is made
up of the following three parts:
**Model** - The lowest level of the pattern which is responsible for maintaining data.
**View** - This is responsible for displaying all or a portion of the data to the user.
**Controller** - Software Code that controls the interactions between the Model and View
What are the advantages/disadvantages of Seam over Spring? Why would I use Seam in lieu of Spring?
Is there anything that can be done in Seam that can't be done in Spring? Anything in Spring that can't be done in Seam?
What about stateful/stateless architecture? I am a Spring user, so I am biased, naturally.
Why Spring?
Cleaner code
Streamlined application configuration
Nice integration with popular open source products
First class AOP support
Enterprise-scale security: Acegi
Highly flexible MVC
Abstracted data access (JDBC is OK)
Enterprise Java without EJB
Testing is easy
Why Seam?
Merge Java EE 5 standards (EJB 3.0, JPA, JSF, Annotation) seamlessly
Stateful by design
Bijection
Integrated Ajax (ICEfaces and Ajax4JSF)
Business process integration (jBPM)
Business rules integration (Drools)
Workspace management
Deliver complete stack (from JBoss & RedHat)
Seam Text and EL enhancements
Probably will be a standard (JSR-299: Web Beans)
From Framework Deathmatch: Spring vs Seam. Thomas Wiradikusuma (Spring). Joshua Jackson (Seam). Java User Group Indonesia. JaMU 07.03. March 17, 2007 power point presentation here
although seam does have many advantages over spring, there is a magic word that really is worth paying attention to and this is PERFORMANCE!!! if you are not worried about performance issues I would go with seam. From the other hand if you want your application to be as fast as possible and your hardware is limited I would use spring. I am not saying that you can not develop fast applications with seam, but in order to do this you really need to know what you are doing. I have used both of them (i am not a guru in any of them) and what I found out is that although spring needs more effort to build what you want, at the end the result is more flexible and is performing better. I do not think that there is something that can be done in one framework that it can not be done in the other, saying that, remember that I am not an expert to any of those.
Seam will give you a pretty, ah, seamless, integration between the components that make up the seam stack. All very nice as long you keep within that stack, and within the seam model and foing things. It all starts to look a little less convincing as soon as you start doing something unusual, though.
If it's not too much of a generalisation, Seam is very "microsofty" in that regard. This isn't a bad thing, it's just a stylistic thing. Spring is more open-ended and takes more effort to get going, but it's ultimately more flexible, and a lot more open.
You can use Spring and Seam together - Spring for backend components, Seam for enhancement of web layer (JSF/GWT/Wicket) and other stuff. Seam offers a lot of Spring functionality (i.e. IoC container, transaction managment) - in your project you can decide - witch implementation to use.
More details on integrating Seam with Spring - "Seam in Action - free bonus chapter"
Let's compare the two.
What is common?
Both are open source, follow MVC architecture and has a servlet based front controller.
Advantages of Spring MVC
Extension of Struts.
View can be developed using JSP and HTML. You can also plugin other's like PHP or velocity.
Has large number of controllers predefined.
Integrated out of the box with Spring framework.
Advantages of Seam
Extension of JSF
View can be developed using JSF component library. There are large number of vendors to choose from.
Integrates JPA entities with Web layer
Annotation based validation
Integrates with EJB 3.0
Out the box jBPM support which provides process flow definitions.
Integrates with Drools where you can define web layer business rules.
Good community support.
Conclusion
Since Seam is built on JSF, it has large number of UI Component libraries to pick from. It reuses Java EE stack better. It has lot of interesting modules integrated beforehand.
Spring MVC is built on top of Struts and Spring, so it will reuse Spring framework stack far better than others. But the view is built using JSP, so we have to rely on JSP tag library vendors to build rich components.
Seam framework would be a better choice as Spring framework is anyway extensible enough to be leveraged by Seam.