The context is that I don't want to use Zend MVC - controllers, helpers, decorators etc - that's overkill for what I am writing.
I've scoured the jQuery site plugins section and these issues bother me most:
I have to search a lot for plugins - it is tedious.
I have to check dependencies with jQuery versions. Thankfully I decided to stick with only jQuery or noConflict() would have driven me crazy.
I have to hook-up all the id's and names of form elements across HTML+CSS+JQuery through Controllers, Views etc.
And all this because there is no other simpler PHP wrapper over jQuery plugins than ZendX_JQuery - and plugins is where the attractive scripts and effects are.
Writing a in-house replacement to ZendX_JQuery will be a huge task in itself. But if you have to wrap third party jQuery plugins in PHP and maintain the thing it is full time job in itself.
So I want to know if Zend_Dojo is much easier than ZendX_JQuery. I'm asking before trying out because I'd have to spend a couple more days installing, configuring and testing all the standard Dojo controls and then I can decide. All that's tedious for a rather simple app which may grow later on.
The alternative would be a "jQuery-inside" PHP widget library that is stable and will work for a year without being broken or upgraded.
Something like GWT or ZK or ASP.Net where you don't have to do low-level HTML+jQuery coding and hand-tweaking for every page with all the ajax controls and form elements.
Or should I just drop an MVC framework altogether and replace it with a custom set of scripts only using Zend components where necessary - like Zend_Validate, Zend_Form etc.
I've been working on desktop apps for some time and the switch to AJAX + MVC + Zend is proving a bit too unwieldy, especially given the abundance of design patterns in Zend MVC.
My recommendation would be to use neither ZendX_JQuery or Zend_Dojo. By the sounds of it, that's overkill for you as well. My thoughts may be coloured by the fact that I don't like to mix PHP and JavaScript code except where absolutely necessary - yes, it may be easier to let a component write your JavaScript for you, but it's never going to be as clean as you could write it yourself.
That way, you also maintain separation between behaviour and presentation - always a good thing, as it makes it easier to use the concepts of progressive enhancement.
I agree with Stephen Orr- I use neither jquery nor dojo (after trying both). I use Zend_Form filters / decorators heavily because client side validation has to be redone on the server side anyway. With some custom decorators, you can do it all in html/php.
I try and avoid ajax where possible, and use prototype / scriptaculous where it cannot be avoided. They are lightweight and provide handy shortcuts to use in other JS code.
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My project's domain is of eTendering. And we are planing to use Spring and Hibernate in the architecture and in presentation Spring MVC but we want look and feel like silverlight of .Net or Flex of adobe in short we are planning for Ajax framework in presentaion. So SpringMVC will be worthfull? I have seen wicket and openxava but I am still confused so please suggest correct option in terms of my domain's complexity.
Depends on your needs:
Spring MVC - this option will leave you with writing AJAX on your own (via JQuery for instance) along with HTML and so forth. It might be tedious, but you're controlling everything. It's also up to you what will be the quality of your resulting HTML and how good it will be indexed by SEO.
JSF - this option provides you with a number of components and allows you to create AJAX based forms and handles it out-of-box. But when it comes to writing custom components, it won't that easy as just writing JS/JQuery on your own. Also it generates not that pretty HTML which is not of that good quality and you might be less indexed by SEOs.
GWT - this choice would mean that you don't write JS, instead you write logic in Java and then it transforms to JS. From one hand it will provide you with good-looking AJAX-based app where you don't need to write JS, from the other hand it's a) pretty complicated to write really good-looking apps UI b) it will add another step in your development cycle (it takes pretty much time when you generate that JS) c) it almost won't allow your pages to be indexed. Also, if it comes to such derivatives as SmartGWT, they provide a large set of cool-looking components, but they always require money for support.
Vaadin - this is AJAX based framework that partially generates Java to JS, but it also sends requests go server for logic execution (of course in GWT this happens as well, but not that often, GWT tries to execute logic on client). It takes less time to compile sources to JS and it's also almost impossible to make pages being indexed.
ZK - another AJAX based framework. unlike other frameworks that allow you to work with only one pattern, it can work in MVC, MVP, MVVM modes. It doesn't compile Java sources to JS thus all the requests go to the server (I've heard about internal company's benchmarks that showed it was actually faster than GWT, but I think it depends on your processing logic). SEO won't make it with ZK at all, but it's possible to include ZK components into JSP pages (though this functionality is not free) which makes it possible to kill both birds. It will be not trivial to write your own components with ZK, but it has a wide range of ready-to-use components.
So you should consider several things: SEO, money you can give for the framework, how much AJAX you need and do you want to write it on your own, etc.
Also pay attention to those patterns I mentioned: MVP for instance is suitable for complicated interfaces and is supported by GWT, Vaadin, ZK. MVVM is very cool because of its binding and is supported by JSF and ZK.
Currently I use php + ajax to create dynamic web applications. As I realized, sometimes I need to write much more javascript to achieve dynamic appearance than I would need to write just php for 'static' page.
After small research I found websockets / sockets.io. Can I use it instead client-side javascript to achieve the same dynamics (some pagination, reloading website parts without reloading whole page...)?
Another thing is server-side programming language (and framework) for that task. Languages I've been working with:
Python (I would prefer that one)
Javascript / CoffeeScript
Java
Do you know any web framework written in one of those languages that fits my needs?
Non blocking environments/frameworks you might want to take a look at.
JavaScript: node.js
Python: Twisted
Ruby: EventMachine
If your requirement is to reduce javascript ajax thus propose using websockets, it will not help u much. Maintaining socket is beneficial to avoid long polling ajax/rest requests, in your case it doesnt look like much if only to render json for dynamic contents.
Also im not sure where does stateful exist in your requirements.
So stick with your architecure as is
I need to integrate AJAX functionality into a Struts 2 web application. I was looking at some tutorials and was going to try using the Dojo Plugin but quickly realized it has been deprecated as of Struts 2.1.
The AJAX documentation for Struts 2 gives a lot of potential solutions and I'm trying to narrow it down a little.
I realize this question is a little general and there are some existing Questions here about specific alternatives, but I'd like to get a feel from the community as to what is the most commonly used approach.
I'm also interested in whether it is more common to use one of the AJAX taglib plugins (ie. struts2-jquery) or straight AJAX widgets independent of Struts.
I understand the basic concepts of AJAX but don't have much hands-on experience with any of the libraries. I don't mind putting in some time getting up to speed on something if necessary.
Thanks much for any suggestions!
I'd recommend doing it manually via some JS library and them moving to a taglib plugin once you understand exactly what the plugin is abstracting away for you. I think that getting that hands-on experience with the libraries is a better educational / training investment. That way when you move on to another web framework you'll have a better understanding of the javascript API side of things.
jQuery is probably your best choice so you could move on to the struts2-jquery plugin if you decide it's worth it. The Struts 2 jQuery plugin is actively maintained (albeit a few versions behind on jquery/jquery-ui) and I have friends that are using it quite happily. Still, I personally tend to stick with direct jQuery ajax calls to Struts 2 actions that return JSON or FreeMarker snippets for autocompletion, updating search results, etc.
Use whatever JS framework(s) you want to and don't bother with a plugin unless it offers you a compelling reason to use it.
If you haven't used a JS framework before and are looking for suggestions, I'd recommend jQuery.
I was reading about JSF that it's a UI framework and provides some UI components. But how is it better or different from number of components that are available from jQueryUI, AngularJS, React, Vue.js, Svelte, ExtJS, or even plain HTML, CSS and JavaScript.
Why should someone learn JSF?
JSF to plain JSP/Servlet/HTML/CSS/JS is like as jQuery to plain JS: do more with less code. To take PrimeFaces (jQuery + jQuery UI based) as an example, browse through its showcase to see complete code examples. BootsFaces (jQuery + Bootstrap UI based) has also a showcase with complete code examples. If you study those examples closely, then you'll see that you basically need a simple Javabean class as model and a XHTML file as view.
Note that you should not see JSF as replacement of alone HTML/CSS/JS, you should also take the server side part into account (specifically: JSP/Servlet). JSF removes the need of all the boilerplate of gathering HTTP request parameters, converting/validating them, updating the model values, executing the right Java method to do the business stuff and generating the HTML/CSS/JS boilerplate code. With JSF you basically end up with a XHTML page as view definition and a Javabean class as model definition. This greatly speeds up development.
As with every component based web MVC framework, you have in JSF less fine-grained control over the rendered HTML/CSS/JS. Adding custom JS code isn't that easy as you have to take the JSF view state in the server side into account as well (e.g. enabling a disabled button in JS side won't enable the button in JSF side, which is in turn a huge security advantage). If that is however a major showstopper, then rather look for an action based web MVC framework like Spring MVC. You'll only take into account that you have to write all that HTML/CSS/JS code (and prevention against XSS, CSRF and DOM-manipulation!) yourself. Also if you fall back from Facelets to JSP, you'll miss advanced templating capabilities as well.
On the other hand, if you have a big JSP/Servlet/HTML/CSS/JS/jQuery based website and you'd like to refactor the repeated JSP/Servlet/HTML/CSS/JS/jQuery boilerplate code into reusable components, then one of the solutions would be JSF. Custom templates, tagfiles and components can aid in this. In that perspective, JSF stands above JSP/Servlet/HTML/CSS/JS/jQuery (and that's also why it's pretty important to understand those basics before diving into JSF).
You can find a real world kickoff JSF based project here: Java EE Kickoff App. You'll see that it contains next to JSF as good HTML5, CSS3 and jQuery.
See also:
Difference between Request MVC and Component MVC
Difference between JSP, Servlet and JSF
What are the main disadvantages of JSF 2.0?
Is it possible to use JSF+Facelets with HTML 4/5?
When to use <ui:include>, tag files, composite components and/or custom components?
JSF was created to make it so that java shops didn't have to learn stuff like jQuery and build complex JS but instead focus on a purely Java stack. In a world where time is money and lots of places already focusing on Java development, one less language/piece in the stack makes training and maintaining faster and thus cheaper.
I'll add that JavaScript is easy to become a maintenance nightmare on large teams, especially if some of the developers on the project are not highly web savvy.
With Javascript and frameworks such as jQuery you have full flexibility and full control . With ext's etc you lose much control and must adapt to the framework. With JSF you totally lose control and must totally adapt to the framework. You're invoked in lifecycles etc. and finally you have no control when the call to the server can be made and where not. If you are to do something considered 'special', you're in very hard position. And in JSF world even such basic things as multicolumn table sort or fields where you can type only limited set of characters (such as number field) are considered 'special'.
However, the more flexibility you have, the more errors or bad practices you can made. High flexibility works only with highly intelligent programmers, others will turn the project into unmanagable nightmare.
But, with JSF and its limited flexibility, there's always only a few (or even only one) correct way to do something. You are very limited, you can't make shortcuts, you must write more XML etc. - but when adapting to standard, there's better control on the code the unexperienced or low-skilled programmers will produce. As a result, big corporations love JSF because it is 'safer' for them.
When I moved from GWT to JSF, I was shocked, how many things, that was natural to me, was considered highly untypical and how much simple things were so hard to achieve. What's more, even making the smallest changes, such as adding ':' sign after label, which in GWT/jQuery powered app would be changing one function generating label, required changing dozens of files with localized properties, which wasn't even considered by anyone except me strange...
The benefits of using JSF are not only in generating xhtml + css + js. Sometimes JSF imposes a restriction on the markup you can generate, like any component based framework. But JSF is not just for that, its lifecyle helps greately. After validating the input it can update the model and sync your server side beans without any effort. you just say "whatever the user types here, check if it's a number, if yes then store it in the property YY in object XX" and JSF will do all that.
So yes, you can still use JQuery, JS, etc. But JSF provides many benefits when it comes to writing server side code and saves you from a lot of boiler plate.
I strongly disagree that jsf adds anything. It only adds overhead. Doing ui stuff on the server is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. And javascript on large teams works great - its called reusing code.
Just wrap the jquery in some jsp tags, thats all you need and youre done, and dont endure the.shackles and scalability issues with.jsf and richfaces.
Having worked with JSF, Spring MVC, Struts, Grails, JQuery, and ExtJS my opinion is that Grails + ExtJS is one powerful combination.
I would pick Grails over JSF any day. I like the completeness of ExtJS as the client side framework and library, but it comes with a steeper learning curve than JQuery.
Here are the biggest differences between jQuery & JSF:
no MVC architecture
no state control (store date in session or conversation, auto-clean up, etc.)
no (default) validation library
no templating library
no advanced navigation/routing
client side
jQuery was never intended to be used as a full stack webframework. It was more intended for replacing low-level JS code so that writing JS becomes easier and more powerfull in less lines of code.
And it should thus mostly be used to add behaviour on HTML elements.
Having used ExtJS framework for a large web application, I know how easy it is to use. The ExtJS (Schena) is best suited for (Oracle 11g) database interactions in MVC architecture. The View was for the visual / user interactions. The controller specified the 'processing' and the triggers that needed to be used form the PLSQL packages (the API for the CRUD, SQL select queries etc.). The Model and the store files were used to 'map' the data items to the Viewer / inputs.
ExtJS is not suitable for non database intensive web interfaces - where Angular JS may be a better fit.
Our team is experienced in web development (tomcat/Oracle) but not with AJAX on our existing projects. This is new technology for us, so I want to introduce this carefully and correctly.
What should I look at in terms of frameworks or best practice or common pitfalls?
read this:
progressive enhancement
and use a library such as jQuery, mootools, or YUI it'll save you many headaches with cross-browser implementation. this will show you why you want to use a library.
My first recommendation would be to explore the different frameworks available and see what your team prefers in terms of coding style. Most of the frameworks have the same basic features so a lot of it comes down to preference. I prefer jQuery, so that is my first recommendation, but I worked with YUI, MooTools, Prototype and EXT JS before making my decision.
Secondly, I would recommend working AJAX functionality as a progressive enhancement, allowing your apps to work with and without JavaScript. I find that this approach also ensures a solid, working application before worrying about adding the bells and whistles.
Head First Ajax is a good book IMO for getting started with the basic concepts behind working with Ajax. It would probably be a good place to start for your team to gain some knowledge of what is happening behind the scenes in whatever framework you choose.
One thing we struggled with when starting to use ajax was how often to use it.
We had no exact requirement as to where we were supposed to use ajax and not, and initially we erred to the side of using it too much. This affected application complexity quite a lot.
If you think of your inter-page-structure as a state-machine, ajax introduces nested state-machines within each page-state. The moment your sub-state machine ends up with a number of distinct states (I'd say anything over 2), you should think really hard about using a traditional approach.
The best starting point is to try to get a mix og full page reloads and ajax, and be conservative until you're sure you're getting really good at it.
Don't use it where you don't need it.
Long running operations that need to send the client some status updates? Use AJAX.
Markup for major UI elements (menus, ect)? Use plain old HTML.
Basically, use AJAX for transmitting data only. If you try do fancy things like dynamically pulling in UI elements on the client side with AJAX, you are in for a world of hurt when you get a client who wants to use ie5 (they exist), or a non-pc based browser.
first, look at the user interface you already have, and consider where it might make sense for its elements to be able to change/react independently. This is where your ajax enhancements might make sense
second, look at libraries as noted in the other answers (I like AJAXPRO for its simplicity, but it has been discontinued)
if you find that all of your page elements tie together and cannot change independently, then there is really no need for ajax
otherwise, consider how you will access the page state from your ajax enhancement points - depending on which ajax framework you use, you may or may not have access to the entire page object, session state, original request parms, etc. Consider these issues up front to avoid coding yourself into a hole and/or having to make messy workarounds.
If you were on .Net or Mono I would encourage you to use Ra-Ajax which abstracts away JavaScript completely. Though I work for Ra-Ajax (inventor) so I am biased...