Dealing with the "double margin" problem between GUI elements - user-interface

While creating GUIs I've come across the "double margin" problem several times, where two elements have the same margin defined and end up being spaced twice as far apart as I intended.
One solution I use is to define the margin on only some sides of the element (for example, only on the top if I expect elements to be stacked vertically), but then I'm missing a bottom margin for the last element.
How do you deal with this problem? Examples in any language or framework are welcome.

Some languages/frameworks allow you to set margins in a 'layout' itself, which wouldn't have the issue of double margins when you set the margin on a per-widget basis.
For example, with QLayout in Qt you can simply use setSpacing(int size); on the layout object to set the spacing between widgets, and higher level layouts (like QGridLayout) allow you to do more complex things. In Qt, if you also wanted extra space around the edge of the parent widget (which could be a top level window), you can set that with a call to setContentsMargins(int left, int top, int right, int bottom); on that widget.
I'd imagine most GUI toolkits would have similar constructs.

Despite the tag, it really does depend on the language and its GUI manager. Some allow you to set arbitrary spacing (like you're talking about).
My main exposure to this problem is in CSS because that's what I do day in, day out. I keep things simple: float block items left and only use left-hand margins on those items.
This requires you to set widths and doesn't work for everything (relative/% widths being the most obvious)... But it does work for me for a lot of the time. IE6 can throw spanners in my day because of its built-in double-margin rendering bug but it's usually simply fixed.
For those not sure about what the question is asking: imaging you a box you want to show on the screen. You want to say that boxes should have a margin of 30px around them. Now imagine you have two boxes to show next to each other. If you set an absolute 30px margin, those boxes would be 60px apart. Solve for x.

Internet Explorer doesn't collapse margins correctly all the time, so while we wait for IE7 usage to shrink the safer method is to use padding instead when possible.
If you set margin or padding on only some sides of the elements, you can use padding in the parent element to get the right distance to the last elements.

I have two tactics for dealing with this:
1) Give the elements a one-sided padding and then make up for the first/last element discrepancy in the CSS for the container. E.g.:
<ul>
<li>Cats</li>
<li>Dogs</li>
<li>Birds</li>
</ul>
ul { padding-bottom: 10px; }
ul li { padding-top: 10px; }
2) Add a class to the first/last element in the HTML or using a jQuery (or other framework) selector. E.g.:
<ul>
<li class="first">Cats</li>
<li>Dogs</li>
<li class="last">Birds</li>
</ul>
ul { padding-bottom: 10px; }
ul li { padding-top: 10px; }
$(document).ready(function(){
$('ul li:last').addClass('last');
});

Related

Singularity Grid System showing the grid when using a 'container'

I have a Singularity layout that puts padding either side of a 'container' like proposed in the Singularity issues here: https://github.com/Team-Sass/Singularity/issues/91
.container {
// Sets a max width. Site will be fluid until it reaches 960px, then stick there.
max-width: 960px;
// Centers the container.
margin: 0 auto;
// Sets padding equal to a gutter.
padding-left: gutter-span();
padding-right: gutter-span();
// Might as well clearfix it as well.
#include clearfix;
}
The basic want for this is so there's a gap either side so it looks cushioned on smaller screens.
What I don't understand is on what element I would show the grid using the #include background-grid whilst developing.
If I put it on the .container then the grid will display under the padding, which is not really part of the grid. Of course, I could create an element inside that, but that element is purely for visual development purposes and so is redundant once I switch the grid display off.
You can see on the image below how the black line goes out to the edge of it's parent .container but the grid is going beyound that.
So you use padding to add gutters to container. Backgrounds happen to stretch to padding gutters, so your grid is off.
The head-on solution is to use a subcontainer. Apply padding to the outer container. Apply clearfix and grid background to the inner container.
background-clip: content-box is indeed a better solution. You don't need debug grid background in IE8 anyway.

Layout using Singularity

I've been trying to create a couple of typical layout examples using Singularity, and I have a question about grid-span and floats.
I've created a sample scss stylesheet and html layout. Here's the complete example on Sassmeister.
http://sassmeister.com/gist/a7ca98b7520b12bd6241
My question is whether the containing content div <div id="content"> is necessary? I'm having to use it with a clearfix mixin in order to 'pull' the div down and keep the footer below the content section and aside.
Is there another way to achieve this layout with Singularity, without having to use the surrounding clearfix div? Is there an option for grid-span in the main section that will either not use a float, or self clear this section?
To understand your problem you have to learn how floats and clearing work.
0.
When you float an element, it is removed from the flow. It's vertical height does not count when calculating the height of the container.
1.
The intended usage of floats is to add images to a long sheet of text. The text would wrap around the floated image and increase its overall height and stretching the container vertically, just like an object submerged into water increases the height of water surface.
Before:
After:
2.
If the floated image is located very close to the bottom of the text, it will pop it's bottom out of the bottom of the container, just like an iceberg exposing it's top from the water.
3.
Now imagine that your text is comprised of paragraphs and each paragraph starts with a title. When there's an image floated at the bottom of a paragraph, the image would stretch into the next paragraph, pushing the next paragraph's title aside.
4.
If you don't want that to happen, you apply clearing to paragraph titles:
h2 { clear: both; }
This basically tells the titles: don't let floated images push you aside, let them push you down instead.
5.
But web pages have become more than formatted text, and HTML/CSS didn't provide any means of formatting layouts. So we started using floats for layouts. It's ugly, it's like using wallpaper to sew your clothes, but we have no better option (until Flexbox becomes a thing, and it seems to already).
What happens when you float all content in a container? There will be no flow left, no text to stretch the container vertically, and it's height will be zero (plus border and padding):
6.
You already know that in order to make containers regain their height (wrap around the floated content) we have to apply a clearfix to the container. But what a clearfix actually is?
When you apply a clearfix to a container, you use :after in CSS to create an additional element within the container, after all it's content. Then you apply clearing to the little mother fcuker:
.container:after {
content: '';
display: block;
clear: both;
}
7.
Now back to your question! What's the alternative of using the clearfix?
You've probably have guessed already.
If you've got got content below the floated element, simply apply clear: both to the next element below the floated one! Just like we did in #4 for paragraph titles.
In your case:
footer { clear: both; }
And here's a demo: http://sassmeister.com/gist/df8af8a3c7f8d3df2796

CSS max-height and overflow auto always displays vertical scroll

I have a div class set up with the following CSS style:
div.multiple_choice{
border: 1px solid black;
max-width: 300px;
max-height: 200px;
overflow: auto;
}
The problem is, when the text inside doesn't force the DIV to reach the maximum height of 200px, the vertical scroll bar still shows up. I can click on the up and down arrows but it only moves the contents up and down by about a pixel or two.
This is occuring in Google Chrome (version 18.0) and Iceweasel 11.
As it turns out, another CSS style was causing the issue:
body{
line-height: 1;
}
Anyone interested in learning about how and why this would cause an issue, can read about the line-height property here
I was having an issue with this, and I found that having position: relative on the child elements was causing the problem. Obviously this can't be the solution for everyone, especially if position: absolute is being used, but for me it worked.
Just to put in evidence the #Kuba Orlik's solution (he posted as comment on the accepted answer) that's the only one that worked for me.
Add this on inside elements:
line-height: normal;
Note: Explicitly normal not 1 because it's different
I have encounter this problem.But I solved this use the following css style:
div.yourcontainer{overflow-y:auto;}
If the container was higher than max-height,the vertical scrollbar will show.
I had this problem when trying to wrap a list (flex column) of react components in a div, I resolved it by changing margin of elements within each list item to be 0.
The approach to troubleshoot this for me was to inspect the list items (perhaps each <li> in OP) and see what styles were making the div think each list item was larger than what was visible to the human eye.
Here is an example of inspecting a rogue margin on an icon within a list item in my project:
Solution is to set the style of that icon to have a vertical margin of 0, though in my application I just made all the margin 0 and added some padding-right.
I also had this problem using Bootstrap and nav. It occurred because bootstrap definds the li in nav-tabs as: .nav-tabs > li { margin-bottom:-1px; }. To counteract this, you must also do:
.nav-tabs > li:last-child {
margin-bottom:0;
}
Without setting the last-child, the following example would always show scroll, no matter how much content is in the list:
<ul class="navs nav-tabs nav-stacked" style="max-height:80px;overflow:auto;">
<li></li>
...
</ul>
I came across this bug earlier today. In my case a list of child elements had display: inline-block instead of display: block. Switching to display: block for my list of child elements in the truncated div fixed the issue for me.
In my case, the problem was with the font. We use font-family: Galano Grotesque. Apparently, this font is rendered higher than the computed height.
<div>
<p>some text</p>
</div>
So even without max-height, when the inner p and the outer div were both computed as 20px height, there was still a scroll bar (with overflow: auto) because the font was about 1px higher than expected.
So the solution can be any one of:
Use a different font.
Add padding to the outer div. This way it will be large enough to cover the extra pixel that comes from the font. In my case, adding one pixel of padding to the bottom and one to the top solved the problem.
Set line-height to a bit larger value (in my case, from 1.25 to 1.4), so it won't interfere with the font.
Set line-height to normal because then the actual value will be influenced by the font. However, according to Mozilla, this is not the preferred way.
The reason for the vertical scroll is obvious: the scrolled content is higher than scrolling area. But when you observe their heights, they are equal!
The causes are multiple but all come down to a common one: an element inside the scrolled content overflows it and makes the result taller.
How to fix this?
find the guilty element by looking near the bottom edge of the scrolled element (or to the right if you're scrolling horizontally), because they are the most likely to overflow. You should observe a height larger that their parent's.
see what makes them overflow, be larger than their container. As other answers suggest, it can be line-height, some margin, etc. Change those properties to make them fit, or as an alternative, set overflow-y: hidden to their immediate parent.

Why does CSS2.1 define overflow values other than "visible" to establish a new block formatting context?

The CSS2.1 spec mandates that overflow other than visible establish a new "block formatting context". This strikes me as odd, that a property whose obvious purpose is to hide overflow without affecting layout, actually does affect layout in a major way.
It seems like overflow values other than visible combine two completely unrelated features: whether a BFC is created and whether the overflow is hidden. It’s not like "overflow:hidden" is completely meaningless without a BFC, because floats historically can overflow their parent element, hiding the overflow without changing the layout seems sensible.
What are the reasons behind this decision, assuming they are known? Have the people who worked on the spec described why this was decided to be the case?
I asked about this on the mailing list on your behalf; the thread can be found here. In summary, this has to do with scrolling content for the most part:
Fundamentally, because if the spec didn't say this, then having floats intersect with something that's scrollable would require the browser to rewrap (around intruding floats) the contents of the scrollable element every time it scrolls. This is technically what
CSS 2.0 required, but it was never implemented, and it would have been a huge problem for speed of scrolling.
-David
Most likely, it refers to scrollable content in a box that may occur outside of the float's parent but would intersect with the float. I don't think this is related to rewrapping content around a float within a scrollable container, as that already happens naturally, plus the float would clip into the container and scroll along with the rest of its content anyway.
Finally this makes sense to me. In fact, I'm going to provide an example here so hopefully it makes sense to you and anyone else who may be wondering. Consider a scenario involving two boxes with the same fixed height and overflow: visible (the default), of which the first contains a float that stretches beyond its parent's height:
<div>
<p>...</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>...</p>
<p>...</p>
</div>
/* Presentational properties omitted */
div {
height: 80px;
}
div:first-child:before {
float: left;
height: 100px;
margin: 10px;
content: 'Float';
}
Notice the similarity to one of the examples given in section 9.5. The second box here is simply shown to have overflowing content for the purposes of this answer.
This is fine since the content will never be scrolled, but when overflow is set to something other than visible, that causes the content to not only be clipped by the bounds of the box, but also to become scrollable. If the second box has overflow: auto, this is what it would look like had a browser implemented the original CSS2 spec:
Because of the float, attempting to scroll the content would cause the browser to have to rewrap it so it doesn't become obscured by the float (and what should happen to the part that scrolls out of the top edge?). It would probably look something like this when scrolled to the bottom:
The catch here is that the browser has to rewrap the content every time it repaints it during scrolling. For browsers that are capable of pixel-based smooth scrolling — which is to say, all of them — I can see why it would be a performance disaster! (And a user experience one, too.)
But that's for when the user can scroll the content, right? This would make sense for overflow: auto and overflow: scroll, but what about overflow: hidden?
Well, a common misconception is that a container with overflow: hidden simply hides content by clipping and cannot be scrolled. This is not completely true:
While scrolling UI is not provided, the content is still scrollable programmatically, and a number of pages perform just such scrolling (e.g. by setting scrollTop on the relevant element).
-Boris
Indeed, this is what it'd look like if the second box was set to overflow: hidden and then scrolled to the bottom with the following JavaScript:
var div = document.getElementsByTagName('div')[1];
div.scrollTop = div.scrollHeight;
Again, notice that the content would have to be rewrapped to avoid being obscured by the float.
Even though this wouldn't be as painful for performance as had scrolling UI been available, my best guess is that they made boxes with any overflow value other than visible generate a new BFC mainly for the sake of consistency.
And so, this change was brought about in CSS2.1, documented here. Now if you apply an overflow value other than visible only to the second box, what a browser does is push the entire box aside to make way for the float, because the box now creates a new block formatting context that encloses its contents, instead of flowing around the float. This particular behavior is specified in the following paragraph:
The border box of a table, a block-level replaced element, or an element in the normal flow that establishes a new block formatting context (such as an element with 'overflow' other than 'visible') must not overlap the margin box of any floats in the same block formatting context as the element itself. If necessary, implementations should clear the said element by placing it below any preceding floats, but may place it adjacent to such floats if there is sufficient space. They may even make the border box of said element narrower than defined by section 10.3.3. CSS2 does not define when a UA may put said element next to the float or by how much said element may become narrower.
Here's what it looks like with overflow: auto for example:
Note that there is no clearance; if the second box had clear: left or clear: both it would be pushed down, not to the side, regardless of whether it established its own BFC.
If you apply overflow: auto to the first box instead, the float is clipped into its containing box with the rest of the content due to its fixed height, which is set to 80px in the example code given above:
If you revert the first box to height: auto (the default value), either by overriding or removing the height: 80px declaration from above, it then stretches to the height of the float:
This happens to be new in CSS2.1 as well, in that an element with height: auto that generates a new block formatting context (i.e. a block formatting context root) will stretch vertically to the height of its floats, and not just enough to contain its in-flow content unlike a regular box. The changes are documented here and here. The change leading to the side-effect of shrinking the box so that it does not intersect the float is documented here.
In both of these cases, no matter what you do to the second box, it will never be affected by the float because it has been restricted by the bounds of its container.
I know this will be a speculative answer, however after reading the specifications a few times here is my view on this:
What section 9.4.1 is talking about is any block element that does not fully contain or does not fill the containment space. For example when you float an element it is no longer filling 100% of the parent, like in-flow elements do. Inline blocks, table cells, and table captions are also elements that you can affect height and width but that are not intrinsically 100% of the parent (yes table>tr>td is one that would fill 100% of it's parent but it is designed to allow for multiple td's so the td doesn't count as it will automatically shrink to accommodate additional td's) this also applies to any overflow other than visible because it breaks the containment of the block element.
So if I am reading this correctly the way it works is the 9.4.1 section is referring to block elements that break the default containment rules of the block elements as specified by section 9.2.1

webkit vs firefox height of text

I have quite large text (font size 28) I'm trying to align vertically in a fixed-height container.
I'm doing this by eye and just setting a margin-top so that it gets to the right spot. However, when in Firefox, I need a margin-top of 20px, in Safari I need like 15px (else it's too far down). I saw that the discrepancy was because in Safari the text element is taller than in Firefox and includes a slight amount of whitespace on top that doesn't show up in Firefox (in Firefox, the top of the text element is exactly when the text starts).
I've tried all kinda of display combinations with line-heights and perhaps adding a width/height for the text and whatnot. Nothing works.
What can I do to make this consistent? I'd hate to use JS but it seems like the only option...
For cross-browser CSS normalization I'd recommend a reset - YUI3 has a good one, Twitter Bootstrap is another good one. It basically sets paddings and margins to 0 so all browsers will behave and only adhere to YOUR css rules and not their own default rules.
For vertically aligning text to containers, if it's a single line of text, use the line-height property, and set it to equal the height of the container.
For example:
CSS:
div {
height:300px;
width: 400px;
line-height: 300px;
font-size:28px;
background-color:#F0F0F0;
}
HTML:
<div>
Some vertically centered text
</div>
Example: http://jsfiddle.net/Djvv7/
You need to apply a css reset. Good practice to use one on all projects. The most famous I know of is: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/

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