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I like Ruby on Rails and I use it for all my web development projects. A few years ago there was a lot of talk about Rails being a memory hog and about how it didn't scale very well but these suggestions were put to bed by Gregg Pollack here.
Lately though, I've been hearing people saying that Ruby itself is slow.
Why is Ruby considered slow?
I do not find Ruby to be slow but then again, I'm just using it to make simple CRUD apps and company blogs. What sort of projects would I need to be doing before I find Ruby becoming slow? Or is this slowness just something that affects all programming languages?
What are your options as a Ruby programmer if you want to deal with this "slowness"?
Which version of Ruby would best suit an application like Stack Overflow where speed is critical and traffic is intense?
The questions are subjective, and I realise that architectural setup (EC2 vs standalone servers etc) makes a big difference but I'd like to hear what people think about Ruby being slow.
Finally, I can't find much news on Ruby 2.0 - I take it we're a good few years away from that then?

Answer 1

Why is Ruby considered slow?
Because if you run typical benchmarks between Ruby and other languages, Ruby loses.
I do not find Ruby to be slow but then
again, I'm just using it to make
simple CRUD apps and company blogs.
What sort of projects would I need to
be doing before I find Ruby becoming
slow? Or is this slowness just
something that affects all programming
languages?
Ruby probably wouldn't serve you well in writing a real-time digital signal processing application, or any kind of real-time control system. Ruby (with today's VMs) would probably choke on a resource-constrained computer such as smartphones.
Remember that a lot of the processing on your web applications is actually done by software developed in C. e.g. Apache, Thin, Nginx, SQLite, MySQL, PostgreSQL, many parsing libraries, RMagick, TCP/IP, etc are C programs used by Ruby. Ruby provides the glue and the business logic.
What are your options as a Ruby
programmer if you want to deal with
this "slowness"?
Switch to a faster language. But that carries a cost. It is a cost that may be worth it. But for most web applications, language choice is not a relevant factor because there is just not enough traffic justify using a faster language that costs much more to develop for.
Which version of Ruby would best suit
an application like Stack Overflow
where speed is critical and traffic is
intense?
Other folks have answered this - JRuby, IronRuby, REE will make the Ruby part of your application run faster on platforms that can afford the VMs. And since it is often not Ruby that causes slowness, but your computer system architecture and application architecture, you can do stuff like database replication, multiple application servers, loadbalancing with reverse proxies, HTTP caching, memcache, Ajax, client-side caching, etc. None of this stuff is Ruby.
Finally, I can't find much news on
Ruby 2.0 - I take it we're a good few
years away from that then?
Most folks are waiting for Ruby 1.9.1. I myself am waiting for Rails 3.1 on Ruby 1.9.1 on JRuby.
Finally, please remember that a lot of developers choose Ruby because it makes programming a more joyful experience compared to other languages, and because Ruby with Rails enables skilled web developers to develop applications very quickly.

Answer 2

First of all, slower with respect to what? C? Python? Let's get some numbers at the Computer Language Benchmarks Game:
Ruby 1.9 vs. Python3 within the same order of magnitude
Ruby 1.9 vs. PHP within the same order of magnitude
Ruby 1.9 vs. Java 6 server up to two orders of magnitude slower!
Ruby 1.9 vs. C (gcc) up to two orders of magnitude slower!
...
Why is Ruby considered slow?
Depends on whom you ask. You could be told that:
Ruby is an interpreted language and interpreted languages will tend to be slower than compiled ones
Ruby uses garbage collection (though C#, which also uses garbage collection, comes out two orders of magnitude ahead of Ruby, Python, PHP etc. in the more algorithmic, less memory-allocation-intensive benchmarks above)
Ruby method calls are slow (although, because of duck typing, they are arguably faster than in strongly typed interpreted languages)
Ruby (with the exception of JRuby) does not support true multithreading
etc.
But, then again, slow with respect to what? Ruby 1.9 is about as fast as Python and PHP (within a 3x performance factor) when compared to C (which can be up to 300x faster), so the above (with the exception of threading considerations, should your application heavily depend on this aspect) are largely academic.
What are your options as a Ruby programmer if you want to deal with this "slowness"?
Write for scalability and throw more hardware at it (e.g. memory)
Which version of Ruby would best suit an application like Stack Overflow where speed is critical and traffic is intense?
Well, REE (combined with Passenger) would be a very good candidate.

Answer 3

Here's what the creator of Rails, David Heinemeier Hansson has to say:
Rails [Ruby] is for the vast majority
of web applications Fast Enough. We
got sites doing millions of dynamic
page views per day. If you end up
being with the Yahoo or Amazon front
page, it's unlikely that an
off-the-shelve framework in ANY
language will do you much good. You'll
probably have to roll your own. But
sure, I'd like free CPU cycles too. I
just happen to care much more about
free developer cycles and am willing
to trade the former for the latter.
i.e. throwing more hardware or machines at the problem is cheaper than hiring more developers and using a faster, but harder to maintain language. After all, few people write web applications in C.
Ruby 1.9 is a vast improvement over 1.8. The biggest problems with Ruby 1.8 are its interpreted nature (no bytecode, no compilation) and that method calls, one of the most common operations in Ruby, are particularly slow.
It doesn't help that pretty much everything is a method lookup in Ruby - adding two numbers, indexing an array. Where other languages expose hacks (Python's __add__ method, Perl's overload.pm) Ruby does pure OO in all cases, and this can hurt performance if the compiler/interpreter is not clever enough.
If I were writing a popular web application in Ruby, my focus would be on caching. Caching a page reduces the processing time for that page to zero, whatever language you are using. For web applications, database overhead and other I/O begins to matter a lot more than the speed of the language, so I would focus on optimising that.

Answer 4

Writing code is slow. Reading code is slow. Finding and fixing bugs is slow. Adding features and enhancements is slow. Anything that improves on the previous is a win. Very rarely is execution performance an issue.

Answer 5

The answer is simple: people say ruby is slow because it is slow based on measured comparisons to other languages. Bear in mind, though, "slow" is relative. Often, ruby and other "slow" languages are plenty fast enough.

Answer 6

Joel on Software - Ruby Performance Revisited
quite well explains it. Might be outdated though...
I would recommend to just stick with it as you're used to Ruby on Rails,
if you ever meet a performance issue you might reconsider to use a different language and framework.
In that case I would really suggest C# with ASP.NET MVC 2, works very well for CRUD apps.

Answer 7

I would say Ruby is slow because not much effort has been spent in making the interpreter faster. Same applies to Python. Smalltalk is just as dynamic as Ruby or Python but performs better by a magnitude, see http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org. Since Smalltalk was more or less replaced by Java and C# (that is at least 10 years ago) no more performance optimization work had been done for it and Smalltalk is still ways faster than Ruby and Python. The people at Xerox Parc and at OTI/IBM had the money to pay the people that work on making Smalltalk faster. What I don't understand is why Google doesn't spend the money for making Python faster as they are a big Python shop. Instead they spend money on development of languages like Go...

Answer 8

Ruby is slower than C++ at a number of easily measurable tasks (e.g., doing code that is heavily dependent on floating point). This is not very surprising, but enough justification for some people to say that “Ruby is Slow” without qualification. They don't count the fact that it is far easier and safer to write Ruby code than C++.
The best fix is to use targeted modules written in another language (e.g., C, C++, Fortran) in your Ruby code. Those can do the heavy lifting and your scripts can focus on higher level coordination issues.

Answer 9

First of all, do you care about what others say about the language you like? When it does the job it has to do, you're fine.
OO isn't the fastest way to execute code, but it does help in creating the code. Smart code is always faster than dumb code and useless loops. I'm an DBA and see a lot of these useless loops, drop them, use better code and queries and application is faster, much faster. Do you care about the last microsecond? You might have languages optimized for speed, others just do the job they have to do and can be maintained by many different programmers.
It's all just a choice.

Answer 10

Obviously, talking about speed Ruby loses. Even though benchmark tests suggest that Ruby is not so much slower than PHP. But in return, you are getting easy-to-maintain DRY code, the best out of all frameworks in various languages.
For a small project, you wont feel any slowness (I mean until like <50K users) given that no complex calculations are used in the code, just the mainstream stuff.
For a bigger project, paying for resources pays off and is cheaper than developer wages. In addition, writing code on RoR turns out to be much faster than any other.
In 2014 this magnitude of speed difference you're talking about is for most websites insignificant.

Answer 11

The way to deal with Ruby's performance in Web application is the same as with any other programming language:
ARCHITECTURE
This is easier to do in Rails than in most other Web Frameworks.
At the application level, by caching whatever is supposed to be cached and by managing the access to the DB in an intelligent way (since the bottleneck is usually on the "DB" access for most WEB apps).
Rails makes it very easy and natural to solve these problems. There are several abstractions for caching data, pages and fragments, and there are also very nice abstractions to deal with the SQL part in an optimised and reusable fashion (Active Record and AREL).
This is the reason why so many applications written in faster and not-so-expressive languages (like php) end up being slower than the Ruby counterparts. It's not so easy and elegant to tackle caching and querying with these languages than it is with Ruby.
At the infrastructure level it is reasonable to think of load balancing and all that stuff that I do not happen to know a lot about. I'd outsource that problem by hiring some platform as service provider, like Heroku or Engine Yard. Anyway. Deploying rails with load balancing is probably not very hard to do.

Answer 12

People say that Ruby is slow because they compare Ruby programs to programs written in other languages. Maybe the programs you write don't need to be faster. Maybe for the programs you write Ruby isn't the bottleneck that's slowing things down.
Ruby 2.1 compared to Javascript V8
Ruby 2.1 compared to ordinary Lua
Ruby 2.1 compared to Python 3

Answer 13

Performance is almost always about good design and optimized database interactions. Ruby does what most web sites need quite fast, especially more recent versions; and the speed of development and ease of maintenance provides a large payoff in costs and in keeping customers happy. I find JAVA to have slow execution performance for some tasks, and given the difficulty of developing in JAVA, many developers create slow applications regardless of the theoretical speed capability as demonstrated in benchmarks (benchmarks are generally contrived to show a specific and narrow capability). When I need intensive processing that isn't well suited to my database's capabilities, I choose C or Objective-C or some other truly high performance compiled language for those tasks depending on the platform. If I need to create a databased web application, I use RoR or sometimes C# ASP.NET depending on other requirements; because all platforms have strengths and weaknesses. Execution speed of the things your application does is important, but after all, if execution performance of one narrow aspect of a language is all that counts; then I might still be using Assembler language for everything.

Answer 14

Ruby performs well for developer productivity. Ruby by nature forces test driven development because of the lack of types. Ruby performs well when used as a high level wrapper for C libraries. Ruby also performs well during long running processes when it is JIT-compiled to machine code via JVM or Rbx VM. Ruby does not perform well when it is required to crunch numbers in a short time with pure ruby code.