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Single Page Apps are well known. But PageAx seems to be less well known. I stumbled across it by accident in learning MVC and it has worked quite well for me so far.
(Note: I am aware that this is a topic which may be regarded as "not answerable" and "should be closed" yet I feel this is an important topic which has not yet been covered. Note that this is Single Page Apps vs. PageAx (not Ajax). I am looking for benefits/disadvantage type discussion. I am making up the name "PageAx" as I have not found a better term for it.)
SPA - communication with controller via Ajax and returning Json.
PageAx - communication with controller via Ajax and returning partial views which replace divisions.
Here are the benefits of PageAx as I see it, over SPA's:
Little to no JavaScript on the client.
I find Partial Views very easy to write on the server side.
Benefits of SPA over PageAx:
I can't think of any.
Disadvantages of PageAx over SPA:
Slightly larger payload (but I doubt it would be discernible by end user.)
I can't think of any other.
Disadvantages of SPA over PageAx:
Seems like the amount of JavaScript and required libraries present a fairly large learning curve (i.e., more so than MVC.)
So to re-iterate the question, are there any advantages to SPA over PageAx? The basic reason for the question is that I am starting yet another web project and need to decide which way to take it.
This depends on complexity of your application.
Returning JSON is beneficial because hey—that means you have a full-fledged API that you can reuse in a mobile app or a desktop client. Even if you later decide to completely re-do your frontend, you will already have a ready-to-use backend to code against.
Also, if your webapp is highly dynamic and interactive, replacing partial views may not be enough. You may want to have finer control over transitions (e.g. animating them). For example, see Medium-Style Page Transitions: you can't do something like this with partial AJAX views.
On the other hand, if this flexibility doesn't buy you anything, rendering partial views on the server may work very well for you. Here's David from 37signals blogging about it. He calls this approach SJR (Server-generated JavaScript Responses):
This doesn’t mean that there’s no place for generating JSON on the server and views on the client. We do that for the minority case where UI fidelity is very high and lots of view state is maintained, like our calendar. When that route is called for, we use Sam’s excellent Eco template system (think ERB for CoffeeScript).
If your web application is all high-fidelity UI, it’s completely legit to go this route all the way. You’re paying a high price to buy yourself something fancy. No sweat. But if your application is more like Basecamp or Github or the majority of applications on the web that are proud of their document-based roots, then you really should embrace SJR with open arms.
I've not really been able to differentiate between the patterns mentioned in the title.
A dynamic website has a user interface developed with basically HTML, CSS and maybe javascript (at least, that's what the user sees). The backend could be PHP or ASP (or whatever) which would be connected to a database.
I believe the database is the Model and the UI is the View. Is the backend a controller, presenter or viewmodel?
I'll appreciate an explanatory answer and, if necessary, links.
You cannot determinate which design pattern has been used for the application without access to the source code. And I get ad definite impressions, that this is what you are asking for.
Also you seem to be somewhat confused about what the are the parts of MVC and MVC-inspired design patterns:
Model is not the database. It is a layer (not a class or object) of application, that contains all of the domain business logic and interacts with at least one data source (which might or might not be a database).
The UI is maintained by presentation layer, which is mostly composed (mostly) from views and controller-like structures.
This microsoft msdn article WPF Apps With The Model-View-ViewModel Design Pattern describes MVVM as a microsoft customisation of Martin Fowler's Presentation Model pattern. His Passive View pattern is the MVP approach. His Supervising Controller pattern is the MVC approach. This older article takes about the evolution of such patterns. Not all languages and frameworks have good support for GUI patterns. MVVM for example was invented by Microsoft for desktop programming. Web pages typically have full page refresh rather than an event driven "desktop" programming model. It is arguable that trying to scale down the desktop patterns into a web page programming model distorts them beyond recognition.
A modern web framework that does have event driven programming model is ZK. This article Implementing event-driven GUI patterns using the ZK Java AJAX framework outlines writing the same simple screen three times using the three Martin Fowler patterns mentioned above. Everything is translated to html and javascript for the browser but the actual application screen code is running on a serverside event driven "desktop". What is the View, the Model, and the third part of the MVC/MVP/MVVM pattern is discussed in this presentation Design Patterns in ZK: Java MVVM as Model-View-Binder.
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I realise this might be a little vague but I honestly don't know where else to ask. I have some history with PHP and I am trying to teach myself ASP.NET MVC3.
While I can find a LOT of source material on syntax and tutorials on various parts. I've started it off and I've got quite a bit going but I'm finding it a bit difficult to figure out exactly how to design the whole thing with regards to where to put things and I'm not entirely certain who I can ask or where I can find these things out?
The project I'm working on, in an attempt to teach myself is a form of online rpg game site. I've got user registration and log in, I wrote a custom membership provider to fit that to my existing database structure. But the trouble I'm having knowing where to do database lookups and how to store data etc. For example, let's say you log in, you have a certain amount of gold. On the right side of the status bar on the _layout page it will always display this value. Where do you look this up? How do you remember it? In the controller? Which controller? Etc etc.
Can anyone maybe recommend either a good set of advanced tutorials or some kind of forum where this can be discussed?
Thanks!
I learned everything i know from:
Getting Started with ASP.NET MVC 3
ScottGu's Blog -> awesome blog entries on mvc 3
Must see the Music Store Tutorial App
Check out a great book by Steve Sanderson - Ive used the previous two editions to get me upto speed with MVC.
Pro ASP.NET MVC 3
If your looking to use Entity Framework then I can also recommend;
Programming Entity Framework
The MSDN and ASP.NET sites have a LOT to offer on MVC3. I would also suggest buying the two MVC3 books by Phil Haack and Steve Sanderson.
http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials/getting-started-with-aspnet-mvc3
http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials/overview/creating-a-mvc-3-application-with-razor-and-unobtrusive-javascript
http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials/getting-started-with-ef-using-mvc/creating-an-entity-framework-data-model-for-an-asp-net-mvc-application
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg416514%28v=vs.98%29.aspx
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2011/03/17/asp-net-mvc-3-roundup-of-tutorials-videos-labs-and-other-assorted-training-materials.aspx
Those are all good links and tutorials. In addition, you are going to want to have a separate database for your data vs. your Authentication and Authorization. This will allow decoupling and better security. You should be storing data in a database, and then the model will hold access to that database through a DAL (Data Access Layer) usually with the controller holding an instantiated repository of the DAL. In this sense the controller can build objects from the model (and thereby from the database) and then send them to the view through strongly typed objects for you to use in a User Interface.
Nerd Dinner is a pretty good sample of the whole picture, you can download the sample code and play with it.
http://nerddinner.codeplex.com/
The problem I find is a lot of examples don't use best practices for MVC in favour of simplicity and ease of reading in tutorials. So I'll outline some of the things I've found out the hard way and that work for me.
Personally from what I've found is your controller should be responsible for handling information via ViewModels to act as Data Transfer Objects (DTOs) between your business logic and your views, and that's all they should have in them. I choose to never have business logic in the controller and instead opt for a series of service classes designed to deal with their own group of responsibilities (IoC takes care of most concerns the Services may have).
This is done to keep the business logic DRY and to make it easier should you decide to try making a mobile version of your site later, or maybe expose a public WebService/API to your data.
The views should each use ViewModels specifically meant for each view, and these views should ONLY consist of primitive types or other view models. Never use a data entity from your ORM directly, though I'll be honest I have been known to break my own rule on this when it comes to views that only display information, but I usually pay for it later. Validation rules imposed on your data model are not necessarily applicable to a form and data loaded on your entity may not be relevant to your view either. ORM's that support Lazy Loading complex data entities can cause havoc with some VERY useful 3rd party libraries you can use in MVC like MiniProfiler and Glimpse, not to mention other issues when it comes to rendering these objects in forms for posting back later. So try to stick to flat ViewModels if possible.
I typically name my ViewModels according to their use. so my Register page may use a model called AccountsRegisterViewModel. However when I postback I usually use a different model called AccountsRegisterFormModel. This is because many times there is information I need to pass to render in the view but I really don't care about it (nor will it be present in most cases) on the action that accepts my postback. Also, MVC requires you to disambiguate your actions that use the same name via different parameters so using different view models helps there. For example CreateAccount() to show the account creation page and CreateAccount() that accepts your submission from the form. Though you can explicitly change where each form posts, the main focus with MVC is convention over configuration so I try not to change where forms post back to.
For your specific example of showing relevant information (Gold balance) you're likely going to want to create a Child Action with it's own view that would be responsible for doing it's own data access, or if you want to try your hand at ajax, have the balance be something handled in a smiple partial view that makes a call to a public action that returns JSON.
Those are the practices I've found have worked for me so far.
I'm researching a basic, stand-alone UI app that I want to be 'MVC compliant'.
My question is, what is the typical correlation of the three layers to source code files?
In other words: should I expect to see separate fooView, fooModel and fooController files, or are some functions (eg. Controller) typically specified declaratively and/or handled by a framework?
I realize there are a million MVC frameworks and that the answer probably varies, just looking for a general concept. Cheers and thanks.
Start with the server-side language that you have available and narrow down your MVC framework from there. I would stick with a framework that fits your programming style and needs. Yes, you should have three unique layers (models, views, and controllers) and they should not mix. I.e., in ASP.NET MVC projects you would find a controller, model, and view folder.
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Some people consider WordPress a blogging platform, some think of it as a CMS, some refer to WordPress as a development framework. Whichever it is, the question still remains. Is WordPress MVC compliant?
I've read the forums and somebody asked about MVC about three years ago. There were some positive answers, and some negative ones. While nobody knows exactly what MVC is and everybody thinks of it in their own way, there's still a general concept that's present in all the discussions.
I have little experience with MVC frameworks and there doesn't seem to be anything about the framework itself. Most of the MVC is done by the programmer, am I right? Now, going back to WordPress, could we consider the core rewrite engine (WP_Rewrite) the controller? Queries & plugin logic as the model? And themes as the view? Or am I getting it all wrong?
Thanks ;)
Wordpress itself is not architected in MVC, but one can build very MVC oriented themes and plugins within the framework. There are several tools which can help:
WordPress MVC solutions:
Churro: # wordpress.org/extend/plugins/churro
Tina-MVC: # wordpress.org/extend/plugins/tina-mvc
Plugin Factory: # wordpress.org/extend/plugins/plugin-factory
MVCPress: http://mozey.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/mvcpress-screenshots/#comment-3634 (abandoned, but interesting ideas)
MVC threads on WordPress.org Ideas and Trac:
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic/mvc-plugin-framework
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic/complete-reestructuring
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic/rewrite-wordpress-using-mvc
http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic/wordpress-theme-revamp (more on XSL than MVC)
http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/12354 (on MVC in widgets)
Wordpress is kinda-sorta MVC. If anything it is a pull-type MVC layout, where the View 'pulls' data from the model. It does this in a very proceedural way, instead of using lots of different objects, but this actually makes the front end templates easier to write in a lot of ways.
This also gives the views some degree of controller logic (thus the kinda-sorta MVC).
Lets run this down:
Wordpress gets a URL. The wordpress core acts as a controller and determines what initial queries to run of the database, and by extension, what view should be loaded (category view, single post or page view, etc). It then packages that INTIAL query response and sends it to the view file.
That view file CAN be a strict display only file OR it can request additional information/queries beyond the built in one. This is the pull-type of the MVC, where the view pulls data from the model instead of the controller 'pushing' data from the model into the view.
Thus, when the view sees code to load a sidebar or widget area, it asks for that information. However, what widgets should be there is determined by the controller, which looks at the model for what widgets are in the sidebar, and then selects those that are set to show on the current page, and returns those to the view.
That each part of that isn't an object doesn't make this any less MVC. You can alter WP core without (necessarily) altering anything about a theme. Similarly, as long as you use built in functions like 'get_pages()' then the model and the database tables could change as long as those functions still returned the right data. So, the model is independent of the view, and the controller is independent as well (except when the view adds controller logic to do more than the core normally does).
While you COULD have a model object holding a number of methods and stuff like WPModel::get_pages('blah blah'), and contain everything that way, there is still fundamental separation of concerns.
View: template files
Controller: WP core
Model: the various functions that handle specific data handling.
As long as the names, arguments, etc, stay the same (or just have new ones added) then separation of concerns is maintained and one can be altered without disturbing the others.
It isn't a super-clean version of MVC, (especially when hooks get involved), but at a basic level it starts there.
And being proceedural about it isn't a bad thing IMO. A request from a website is pretty inherently proceedural: it is a process with a clear beginning and end, and just needs a procedure to process the request, get data, package it, then die. You can set up those steps with objects and object methods and OOP layouts (which would make some things easier) or you can just write alot of function calls and separate them out that way. Class members like private variables are lost that way but depending on the needs of the application... you might not care.
There is no one-grand-way to do development, and WP sits at like 20% of websites so it is doing something right. Probably something to do with not making people have to learn/memorize complex class hierarchies to get the database to answer the question 'what pages are child of page x?' and deal with that data. Could you make it that easy with OOP? yes, but if Joomla is any example of how hard it is to implement a complex custom website with OOP, then WP is FAR easier and quicker, and time is money.
As already mentioned in the comments, MVC is an architectural design pattern, not a specific framework, and no, Wordpress doesn't follow the MVC pattern.
There is a separation of views (templates) from the programming logic, but only in the frontend, not in the admin panel and a general separation of views and application logic is not inevitably MVC. An implementation of the MVC pattern usually assumes some kind of object oriented programming paradigm behind it and Wordpress is mainly implemented in a procedural way, with plain SQL queries in the PHP functions, therefore not having an actual model either.
One of the topics that periodically crops up in discussions as it relates to WordPress is the idea of WordPress and MVC.
But the thing is that MVC is not the silver bullet of web development that we try to make it out to be. Yes, it’s an awesome design pattern, and I personally think that it fits the web application model like a glove, but not every framework or platform implements that design pattern.
Case in point: WordPress is not MVC.
And that’s okay. I think we need to leave the desire of trying to shoehorn it into our projects aside especially when the pattern WordPress provides is not only sufficient, but works well when leveraged correctly.
“But I Love MVC!”
So do I! In fact, I spent the last year working on a project that more-or-less mimicked the MVC architecture.
A high-level example of MVC.
A high-level example of MVC.
For example:
Views were implemented using templates
Controllers were implemented by a combination of using function names like create, read, update, destroy, delete, and so on (even though these functions were hooked into the WordPress API
Models were functions also were called to validate and verify data prior to serializing the data. Again, this required that certain functions be hooked into WordPress to achieve the desired result.
Finally, a set of rewrite rules gave the application a clean set of predictable URLs in the format of /people/update/1 or /people/all.
What Pattern Does WordPress Implement?
WordPress implements the event-driven architecture (of which there are several variations such as the Observer Pattern).
In short, you can conceptually think of this as the following:
Things happen when WordPress is processing information.
You can register your own function to fire when these things happen.
Not too complicated, is it?
A high-level example of event-driven patterns
A high-level example of event-driven patterns
When you begin to think in terms of the paradigm in which it works rather than trying to make it work the way that you want it to work, it’s liberating. It helps to solve problems much more easily.
The bottom line is this: WordPress implements the event-driven design pattern, so even if you end up trying to implement MVC, you’re still going to have to utilize the hook system.
If you’re not careful, you can end up trying to craft the perfect architecture without actually getting your work done, and thus end up finding yourself so high up in the atmosphere of software that you’ve effectively become an architecture astronaut.
So You’re Saying Avoid Design Patterns?
Not at all! Design Patterns serve a purpose because, above all else, they basically give us solutions to previously and commonly solved problems. Use them!
But the point I’m trying to make is that we don’t need to try to force things to fit pattern just because we like the pattern. That’s not their purpose. Instead, leverage the primary pattern that your platform of choice implements – in our case, it’s an event-driven pattern – and then implement patterns where they fit (such as dependency injection or something like that).
Otherwise, it’s like trying to put your foot in a glove.
Courtesy (and totally copied :P) from : http://tommcfarlin.com/wordpress-and-mvc/
Just to update this with more recent information for people hitting this from search engines - the wp-mvc plugin http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-mvc/ goes a long way to creating a mvc framework for plugin development. You can find out more here: http://wpmvc.org/documentation/70/tutorial/
Just to add to the list of options, (I'm admittedly biased as the author,) swpMVC is a fully featured, lightweight MVC framework, inspired by Rails, Sinatra, Express, and FuelPHP. It's thoroughly documented, and while I have used and enjoyed wp-mvc, I wanted something where the models were able to populate views themselves, including form controls for interacting with said models.
I put this together largely to reduce the amount of controller code required to put together an app on top of WordPress, and the result is a very fast and effective framework that runs inside WordPress. The models are based on PHP Activerecord and 8 models are included for existing WordPress data types, including Post, PostMeta, User, UserMeta, Term, and a few more. Modeling data is very easy thanks to the activerecord library, and I've enjoyed working with this framework immensely thus far.
Also ships with underscore PHP and PHP Quick Profiler (as seen in FuelPHP.)
RokkoMVC is a micro MVC framework built especially for WordPress. The project is meant to simplify AJAX functionality in WordPress applications, as well as bringing in all the other benefits of using models, views, and controllers to your theme.
I had a bash recently at creating a plugin that makes use of a simple view-controller system, and quite liked the results, so I separated the template stuff out to its own repo. It offers object-based controllers, passing variables locally to PHP templates, template fragments (templates within templates) and components (template fragments with their own sub-controller). All in two tiny classes!
Of course, I wrote this code thinking that no other WP developer had considered the problem before ;-).
It's far from mvc, there is no kinda-sorta thing like some people say, it's either MVC or not... The fact that you write logic on the view level doesn't qualify it as a mvc framework. The reason people use it - it's easy to learn, you don't need to be hardcore php programmer, they're lazy.