Sproutcore vs Cappuccino data model layer - cappuccino

I was going through cappuccino. I did not find any details about the data(model) layer. The same exists in Sproutcore. Am I missing something?

In SproutCore the model layer provides full object-relational mapping and manages things like storage, state, querying and back-end retrieval of the data. Cappuccino does not provide a model layer in the same sense, so from what I've seen (e.g. http://github.com/suitmymind/cappuccinocasts-episodes/tree/master/009) you would instead directly send requests to your back-end and then load the results into objects and handle state, querying, etc. yourself.

Like bruz says, Cappuccino is probably more freeform at the data layer than SproutCore. That said, you could plug in Nicholas Small's CPActiveRecord or Raphael Bartolome's Core Data Cappuccino to get a more automated model experience which also manages server connectivity in various ways.

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MVC3 Database Examples?

In Mvc3 it is necessary to use EDM or we can use normal process. if we go for normal process how can write the SqlCommand,SqlDataAdapter to conctact database. Is there any reference it is more use full.
No, it is not necessary to use EDM, you can use an database that you wish.
As per most websites, you can develop a standard Data Access Layer that encapsulates this code and call this from your MVC controllers, or from an additional Business Logic Layer.
The actual implementation of the Data Access Layer is not detailed here and you can find many examples of approaches for this by searching SO and the internet in general.
MVC is built on top of ASP.Net, so everything you used to use such as SqlCommand, SqlDataAdapter to connect to database can still be used.
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web development - MVC and it's limitations

MVC sets up clear distinction between Model, View and Controller.
For the model, now adays, web frameworks provides ability to map the model directly to database entities (ORM), which, IMHO, end up causing performance issues at runtime due to direct database I/O.
The thing is, if that's really the case, why model ORM is so pupular and every web frameworks want to support it either organically or not.
To a web site has huge amount of traffic, it definitely won't work. But what's the work around? Connect directly to database is definitely not a wise solution here.
What's your question?
Is it a good idea to use direct db access from webpages?
A: No.
Is it a good idea to use ORM's?
A: Debatable : See How can I design a Java web application without an ORM and without embedded SQL
Is it a good idea to use MVC model?
A: Yes - it has nothing to do with "Direct" database access - it's about separating your application logic from your model and your display. (Put simply).
And the rationale for not putting database logic inside webpages has nothing to do with performance - it's about security/maintainability etc etc. Calling a usp from a webpage is likely to be MORE performant than using an ORM, but it's bad because the performance gain is negligible, and the cons are significant.
As to workaround: if you mean how do you hook up a database to a web application...?
The simplest way is to use something like Entity Frameworks or Linq-Sql with your Model - there are plenty of examples of this in tutorials on the web.
A better method IMO, is to have a separate Services layer (which may be WCF based), and have all the database access inside that, with DTO's transferring the data to your Web Application which has it's own ViewModel.
Mvc is not about orm but about separation of display logics and business logics. There is no reason your exposed model needs to be identical to you database model and many reasons to ensure that the exposed model closely matches what is to be displayed.
The other part of the solution to scale well would be to implement caching in the control and be able to distribute load on sevaral instances.
I think #BonyT has given a good answer, (and I've voted for it :) ), I'd just add that:
"web frameworks provide the ability to map the model directly to database entities (ORM), which, IMHO, ends up causing performance issues at runtime due to direct database I/O"
Even if this is true, using an ORM can solve a lot of problems with a model being easy to update and translate back and forth between a database. Solving a performance hit by buying extra web servers or cloud instances is much cheaper than having to buy extra developers or extra hours in development to solve things other people have already written ORMs to do for you.

MVCS - Model View Controller Service

I've been using MVC for a long time and heard about the "Service" layer (for example in Java web project) and I've been wondering if that is a real architectural pattern given I can't find a lot of information about it.
The idea of MVCS is to have a Service layer between the controller and the model, to encapsulate all the business logic that could be in the controller. That way, the controllers are just there to forward and control the execution. And you can call a Service in many controllers (for example, a website and a webservice), without duplicating code.
The service layer can be interpreted a lot of ways, but it's usually where you have your core business processing logic, and sits below your MVC architecture, but above your data access architecture.
For example, you layer of a complete system may look like this:
View Layer: Your MVC framework & code of choice
Service Layer: Your Controller will call this layer's objects to get or update Models, or other requests.
Data Access Objects: These are abstractions that your service layer will call to get/update the data it needs. This layer will generally either call a Database or some other system (eg: LDAP server, web service, or NoSql-type DB)
The service layer would then be responsible for:
Retrieving and creating your 'Model' from various data sources (or data access objects).
Updating values across various repositories/resources.
Performing application-specific logic and manipulations, etc.
The Model you use in your MVC may or may not come from your services. You may want to take the results your service gives you and manipulate them into a model that's more specific to your medium (eg: a web page).
I had been thinking of this pattern myself without seeing any reference to this any where else and searched Google and found your Question here :)
Even today there is not much any body talking about or posting about the
View-Controller Service Pattern.
Thought to let you know other are thinking the same and the image above is how I view how it should be.
Currently I am using it in a project I am working on now.
I have it in Modules with each layers in the image above with in it's own self contained Module.
The Services layer is the "connector" "middleman" "server side Controller" in that what the "client" side Controller does for the client, the "Service" does for the server.
In other words the Client side "Controller" only "talks" with the "Service" aka Server Side Controller.
Controller ---> Requests and Receive from the <----- Service Layer
The Service layer fetches or give information to the layers on the server side that needs it.
By itself the Service does not do anything but connect the server layers with what they need.
Here is a code sample:
I have been using the MVCS pattern for years and I didn't know anyone else did as I couldn't find any solid info on the web. I started using it instinctively if you like and it's never let me down for Laravel projects. I'd say it's a very maintainable solution to mid sized projects, especially when working in an agile environment where business logic changes on the constant. Having that separation of concern is very handy.
Saying this, I found the service layer to be unnecessary for small projects or prototypes and what not. I've made the mistake of over complicating the project when making prototypes and it just ultimately means it takes longer to get your idea out. If you're serious about maintaining the project in the mid term then MVCS is a perfect solution IMO.

Core Data's Limits, can Core Data be used as a Serverside Technology?

I've found no clear answer so far, but maybe I've searched the wrong way.
My Question is, can Core Data to be used as a Persitence Storage for a Server Project? Where are Core Data's Limits, how much Data can be handled with Core Data and SQLite? SQLite should handle a lot of Data very well according to their website. I know of a properitary Java Persitence Manager with an Oracle DB as Storage that handles Millions of Entries and 3000 Clients without Problems. For my own Project I wonder if I can use Core Data on the Server Side for User Mangament and intern microblogging, texting with up to 5000 clients. Will it handle such big amounts of Data or do I have to manage something like that myself? Does anyone happend to have experience with huge amounts if Data and Core Data?
Thank you
twickl
I wouldn't advise using Core Data for a server side project. Core Data was designed to handle the data of individual, object-oriented applications therefore it lacks many of the common features of dedicated server software such as easily handling multiple simultaneous accesses.
Really, the only circumstance where I would advise using it is when the server side logic is very complex and the number of users small. For example, if you wanted to write an in house web app and have almost all the logic on the server, then Core Data might serve well.
Apple used to have WebObjects which was a package to manage servers using an object-oriented DB much like Core Data. (Core Data was inspired by a component of WebObjects called Enterprise Objects.) However, IIRC Apple no longer supports WebObjects for external use.
Your better off using one of the many dedicated server packages out there than trying to roll your own.
I have no experience using Core Data in the manner you describe, but my understanding of the architecture leads me to believe that it could be used, depending on how you plan to query and manipulate the data.
Core Data is very good at maintaining an object graph and using faults to bring parts into memory as needed. In that manner, it could be good on a server for reducing memory requirements even with a large data set.
Core Data is not very good at manipulating collections of objects without loading them into memory, making a change, and writing them back out to disk. Brent Simmons wrote a blog post about this, where he decide to stop using Core Data for some of his RSS reader's model objects because an operation like "mark all as read" didn't scale. While you would like to be able to say something like UPDATE articles SET status = 'read', Core Data must load each article, set its status property, then write it back to disk.
This isn't because Apple engineers are stupid, but because the query layer can't make assumptions about the storage layer (you could be using XML instead of SQLite) and it also must take into account cascading changes and the fact that some article objects may already be loaded into memory and will need to be updated there.
Note that you can also write your own storage providers for Core Data, see Aaron Hillegass's BNRPersistence project. So if Core Data was "mostly good" you might be able to improve on it for your application.
So, a possible answer to your question is that Core Data may be appropriate to your application, as long as you do not need to rely on batch updates to large number of objects. In general, no algorithm or data structure is appropriate for every scenario. Engineering is about wisely choosing between trade-offs. You won't find anything that works well for many clients in every case. It always matters what you are doing.

Proper design a Model-Controller in Cocoa?

I'm trying to design a simple Cocoa application and I would like to have a clear and easy to understand software architecture. Of course, I'm using a basic MVC design and my question concerns the Model layer. For my application, the Model represents data fetched on the Internet with a XML-RPC API. I'm planning to use Core Data to represent a locally fetched version. How should the data be loaded initially? I'm reading the Cocoa Design Pattern book, and they talk about a Model-Controller that is centric to the Model. How would that be done?
Thanks!
Your question is sort of open ended so I will give you my take as someone who has gone through the process of redesigning a poorly built application.
The idea for your model is quite simple:
Create a Data Model (this involves creating your Entities, their properties and relationships).
Put code in place to create a Managed Object Context using the Data Model created in step 1.
Fetch your data from the Internet and create NSManagedObjects based on your Data Model
After step three you will have a Core Data representation of your model in memory, which you can use to drive your user interfaces, or save to a persistent store (to file).
The Core Data documentation, covers each one of the above steps in further detail.

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