I must work with a Visual Studio (2017) Solution that contains 654 projects, and counting. The projects are a mixture of C++ and C# projects - possibly 2/3 C++.
The problem is, VS2017 (we're already running 15.8) is highly unstable at this project count, but for some tasks I need to open the whole solution.
One can (and should) question the design, but please not here. Are there any viable tricks to make working with such a sln bearable?
The problems we have is:
After having fully loaded, it's sluggish as hell, even on our beefy dev machines. Hangs often.
It will crash many times a day. (We isolated a few cases that reliably crash it, like oping the C++ setting dialog, but it's still unstable).
Crashes are often observed when VS peaks at ~ 2.6GB RAM
Not Problems:
Solution load times: The solution is loaded in a decent amount of time. We don't need to optimize for this at the moment.
Compilation times: Devs don't do full-solution builds anyway. (But some tasks require having your corner in the full context of the whole solution.)
I already tried disabling VS Intellisense, but it didn't help. Disabling our VisualAssistX plugin also didn't really help.
Historically the VS team has always said that they're going to fix the problem of VS loading too much at some indefinite point in time. That's one reason why they
haven't made it 64-bit yet as well. Now that they've disabled the selective loading API, you're pretty much on their mercy.
For older VS versions, there's Funnel.
It allows you to selectively load a subset of the projects, automatically loading dependencies. The added benefit is that refactoring, search etc. only works in context of loaded projects, making it much faster. You can also save and organize your filters, making it easier to switch between different subsets.
When placing the curser on a closing bracket in c# for instance, there is a small annoying delay before the opening bracket gets highlighted, and you have to sit and wait before you can use shortcuts such as (ctrl + shift + up/down). It feels like it is intended behaviour for reasons beyond me, so i don't think it is a bug or because my computer is slow (it's not), but it's driving me crazy.
I'm on a freshly installed PC, so i have only testet it in a few programming languages / file formats, and the behaviour only occours in some of them.
The delayed highligh behaviour occurs in .cs (c#), and .css files, but not in .js and .html files, here the code gets highlighed instantaneously exactly like i want it to in .cs files aswell.
I'm using Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition.
I have had this problem as well, since first installing. I can confirm that Update 1 CTP addresses this issue, and the delay is almost gone (maybe 1/8 second now.)
This UI delay was actually called out as a bugfix that was included with the update:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3025135
To the problem that there is a delay highlighting the brackets: In my opinion that has nothing to do with a bug. I think it takes a little while because your code needs to be parsed every time you change something in order to highlight the brackets. When you have many lines of code in one file it is obvious that it takes a little more time than normal.
Here are some tips that may help you:
Click the bracket and press STRG + ´ this will bring you directly to the other bracket. Or you press ALT + ´ and it will mark all your code in between your current brackets. You can look up the shortcuts of Visual Studio in Tools -> Options -> Environment -> Keyboard:
I'd recommend everybody programming in Visual Studio is to change the highlight color of the matching bracket. Have a look at this:
Here you can change all the colors and forms used for specific searchterms. I personally use Visual Assist 2015 to highlight my code (that's why I didn't change anything here). It is way more faster than VS itself and comes with a lot more functions like bracket guidelines who will show you the indent level of your brackets. Have a look, maybe you like it:
Its about 500ms in a newly created console project
500 msec is a magic number in .NET. You can get some insight from the source code for the C# Language Service, accidentally (?) exposed by a Microsoft programmer on github. Most relevant file is probably this one:
internal interface IBraceMatchingService
{
Task<BraceMatchingResult?> GetMatchingBracesAsync(Document document,
int position, CancellationToken cancellationToken = default(CancellationToken));
}
Or in other words, the brace matching service runs as a background task. Such tasks normally run on a thread-pool thread and are subject to scheduling by the threadpool manager. That's where the magic 500 ms number comes into play. The manager attempts to keep the number of executing tp threads down to the number of processor cores available on the machine, the most efficient way to run threads. However, if the existing tp threads take too long to finish their job then the manager assumes that they are bogged down by I/O and allows an extra one to run. It does this once every 500 msec.
So first-order estimate of your problem is that VS has too many active thread-pool threads and they don't complete in a timely manner. Causing the brace matching task to run too late.
Finding out exactly what specific tasks bog it down is technically possible. I can't guarantee success with the Community edition and you'd need a fair amount of insight in how to read thread call stacks to get ahead. Startup another instance of Visual Studio and use Debug > Attach to Process. Pick "devenv.exe" from the list. Let it trundle while it is attempting to find PDB files, then use Debug > Break All.
First place to look is Debug > Windows > Tasks. Pretty unlikely you'll see anything there however, normal is to see none. Next one is Debug > Windows > Threads. You ought to see about 15 active threads back in that window. Hover over their Location column to take a peek at their callstack. Making sense of what you see isn't that simple unfortunately, it will help a lot if you can compare what you see with another machine that does not have this problem.
Since you have this problem on more than one machine, another approach is to look for an environmental factor that they have in common. Things to look for are aggressive anti-malware, a network connection that is too slow or too unreliable, a poorly performing add-in that you like but runs poorly on a VS version it wasn't tested on.
And consider that VS2015 isn't exactly ready for prime-time. Of all the recent VS versions released in the past 18 years, it is probably the least stable. It has a lot of heavy internal changes and there were an unprecedented number of alpha and beta versions with critical bug fixes implemented just a few months ago. Try it again after Update 1 is released.
Seems like this will be fixed in a future Visual Studio update: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/issues/1906#issuecomment-145874647
I have not found a definitive solution for your problem.
This was a known bug in the VS2015 review edition.
This links discusses the delay (this link refers to c# btw, not c):
https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/1033540/braces-are-not-highlighted-correctly-in-c
And there are still similar problems for some VS2015 Community Edition users.
http://www.developerteacher.com/msdn/bracket-matching-highlights-not-working-like-i-had-in-2013-express-4227
Personally, I think you are stuck with a bug and if I were you I'd try the following:
Make sure I had unistalled all previous editions of VS.
Try a repair.
Completely uninstall and reinstall VS2015 if running repair doesn't work
Go back to VS2013 if it drives you cannot stand it, and wait until VS2015 is a bit more ripe on the vine.
One thing I have found with VS, is when it plays up it's painful, it takes so long to install and the worst case was when I ended up uninstalling and downloading everything that was associated with the install. It now works fine. (this was after previewing 2015 and then going back to 2013). You can also try this for VS2015 and also try a new download.
I sometimes will have a look at some previews, but after jumping in with haste too many times with the latest software releases and then repenting with leisure. I am now happy to wait for new releases to be out for a while before upgrading.
Another FYI for you to browse.
This is a link to Visual Studio 2015 RC fixed bugs and known issues. There are quite a few issues and hacks suggested. (not specific to your problem, but still there a few months ago.).
I am assuming you know how to play around with the settings. I've added the obvious, in case it's been overlooked.
I have added this screen shot from VS2013 settings.
Make sure you have automatic delimeter highlighting checked.
Sorry I could not be of more help.
I am tired of how slow the VS2010 is. I know there are a lot of topics here about tuning the settings and I've read/applied them all with not much luck though. Namely the things I've already done:
removed all the extensions
never had a resharper
tuned the settings to get maximum performance
tried SSD and RAM disks
Nothing helped it is still unacceptably slow. I know what I am saying because with VS2008 I never had such problems.
Now, I am working on a quite big C# solution with about 20 projects in it. Visual Studio works quite fast when just opened, but as time goes it starts lagging and eventually gets so slow that I have to restart it. The resource monitor shows that the amount of memory consumed by it is about 200 MB in the beginning and goes up to ~600 MB and then doesn't go any higher. I have 8 GB of total RAM on a x64 laptop with about 4GB that are always free. I find it weird how little memory the VS uses and from what my common sense tells me the more memory the faster the app should work. So I believe my question is how to make the VS use more of the available memory.
PS
I tried a recipe from Configure Visual Studio to use more ram Didn't work out.
There is no way to make Visual Studio use more memory. The application itself has no preset limitation. It will simply use the amount of memory that is granted it by the operating system (just like other apps).
The reason you see it increase to 600MB and then stop is just a side effect of how the managed GC works. As it performs operations like displaying intellisense, performing edits, etc ... more managed objects will be created. Eventually the GC is triggered and it reclaims all of the free objects and the longer lived ones are promoted. Overall though memory usage will be lowered but not as much as before you started editing. Then you edit some more and this process continues until it reaches the appearance of a steady state. If you deeply analyze it you'll see that it's actually more of a saw tooth graph of memory usage.
As to why your particular instance of Visual Studio is slow though is hard to determine remotely. 20 projects is a larger solution but performance should still be acceptable even with that many. Couple of things to try in order to isolate the problem
Try editing a smaller solution. It's possible there is one project in particular which is giving VS a problem. Breaking the project down into smaller solutions could help isolate it.
Try disabling Aero on your computer. It's possible that WPF is a problem here
I keep having intermittent issues with visual studio 2010: I'm working on a rather large solution (200+ projects), so the whole solution takes a long time to build even with a little change.
I often need to debug processes on remote machines.
What I noticed is that visual studio would often appear hung on detach or terminate remote process. On closer examination, it appears that immediately after debugger disconnects, VS will start to build solution, and it is not possible to cancel the build by pressing Ctrl+Break, in fact no menus work at all until the build finishes or fails, and with large solution it takes a long time. One way I found which would fix this issue is killing the MSBuild.exe processes, spawned by VS, which would fail the build.
Have anyone seen this behavior? Is there any fix? Very annoying
EDIT: This is how the process explorer looks after disconnect from debugger: http://vvcap.net/db/oz1NMoyXnWWlQp8mWaRY.htp
This would happen when you edit code while a breakpoint is active. After the debugging session ends, VS automatically rebuilds the solution to incorporate the changes into the binaries, not just in memory. This does tend to make VS a bit catatonic, I think it tries to prevent you from doing anything that would interrupt that operation. This normally doesn't take more than a couple of seconds but I have no idea what might happen in such a large solution. Disabling E+C is probably not one of the workarounds you'd contemplate if you are used to being able to edit code while debugging.
Having solutions with 200 projects does tend to test the limits of endurance. Do try to whittle it down to a core set of projects, chucking out the ones that shouldn't change because doing so would break too much code in higher layers. Or just create another solution and include only the projects you want to test. It doesn't otherwise affect the debugging session, you can still debug code from such projects as normal. Without E+C of course.
Such amount of projects in a solution file can take a LOT of time to build. I can't (myself) imagine) the worries before pressing ctrl+b (know that takes 30 seconds of my working hours).
I would tell my boss that we are in badly need of insert a 40 hour delay because of refactoring the projects into maintanable & compilable parts (sharing same dll into each library per purpose/layer). If the delays is about pure project redefining or just splitting out the solution into several projects fully depends on your work. At least the parts where I am expecting problems and are about to change,
It is slow to load anything other than a small project. It is slow to quit; it can sometimes take minutes. It can be slow to open new files. The record macro feature used to be useful. It is now so slow to start up it's almost always quicker to do it manually!
More info would be helpful. How big are your solutions? What platform are you on. What 3rd party plugins are you running? What else is running on your pc?
3.2GHz P4 Hyperthreaded, 2GB RAM. Running Outlook, Perforce, IE7, directory browsers. Usually have 1-3 instances of VS running. It's much slower than VC6, say. It seems to take a long time to load projects and close down. I'm interested in if people know reasons why this happens, because of the way VS is written. Is it using .net internally and GC slows it down?
One of the biggest culprits for Visual Studio 2005 slowness is Intellisense. This has been brought up on the MSDN forums again and again and again. What I frequently experience is that Intellisense is working nearly non-stop to "re-index" symbols (or whatever you call it). But developers at Microsoft have not been deaf to the complaints and some outgoing folks there have come up with some workarounds that have helped me and might help you:
Check out this link to get a better understanding of Intellisense:
Intellisense Info
Then check out this link for some macros that I've had a lot of success with:
Intellisense Macros
With those macros, you can turn off intellisense (without renaming any DLLs), restart it, delete the ncb file (which you can do manually, but this is a convenience) and it can give you the status of Intellisense.
it might be that you have a plugin that is misbehaving. Try the safemode switch to see if this improves performance
One of the biggest culprits for Visual Studio 2005 slowness is Intellisense. This has been brought up on the MSDN forums again and again and again. What I frequently experience is that Intellisense is working nearly non-stop to "re-index" symbols [...]
I agree. I use Visual Assist. It is much better. There is no real way to turn "Intellisense" off either. The only way I have found is to rename the DLL so when you restart VS it is not found. This works and makes VS faster.
I tend to agree that VS is a heavyweight. Back in the day I coded in DOS using Boxer text editor and makefiles. Boxer didn't have the heavy intellisense and refactoring features, but it did better in the text editing department, had good syntax highlighting and startup/closing were instantaneous, even on a 486. ...those were the days.
I would say it would be really nice to customize VS to remove all the overhead you're never going to use anyway, but I don't see that happening.
here's ya problem:
3.2GHz P4 Hyperthreaded, 2GB RAM
Hypertheaded means "doesn't actually have two CPU's, but it fakes it". If you have a process with just one thread running, then you get bad performance. It was a good short-term measure, but compared to having two REAL CPU's, it's a slow hack.
I don't think that's the problem at all. The machine is plenty high spec enough to be professional C++ development machine for large projects. I can run Eclipse (which is Java, which is memory hungry and slower than native code) and this is still way faster than VS 2005.
I doubled the amount of RAM from 1GB to 2GB. This helps a lot with linking large applications. We also use Incredibuild to accelerate compilation. But it's the VS app that is slow.
And if you think I'm a grumpy anti-MS zealot, ask yourself why people aren't buying Vista! :)
I'm am seeing mixed results with faster machines. Sure, faster machine, hides the poor performance quality of vs2005 but not all.
Simply taking your obligatory "hello world" C/C++ program, just compile it, (CL /c helloword.cpp),
#include <stdio.h>
#include <windows.h>
int main(char argc, char *argv[])
{
printf("Hello World\n");
return 0;
}
I see 1 seconds compiler under Vc6 and a 6 seconds compile under VS2005.
Using DEPENDS to profile the two, I see 3 areas where the 5 seconds delays and time different are taking place:
~2.5 secs with ADVAPI32.DLL, CryptGetHashParam()
~1.5 secs with OLE2.DLL, StringFromGUID2()
~1.0 secs with C2.DLL, _AbortCompilerPass()
Again, this is just a compile, not a link. The VC8+ compiler executables/dlls are referencing sub-systems like crypto API, the Registry for some transparent reason and it is adding a tremendous amount of overhead to straight and pure compiles.
While a faster machine may hide some of hide slow down, one could only wonder if Microsoft can optimize the compiler by offering options that disables unnecessary overhead references. I understand the better compiler comes with some overhead, but what I see is a 300-500% compile time degradation - thats awful.
Hector Santos, CTO
Santronics Software
This is a purely subjective thing I am afraid.
May it is because of your low end system configuration.
May be VS trying to get updates from the net?
May be you are running too many application in the background.
May be you are trying to open a huge solution.
Recently I've had both Visual Studio 2008 and Visual Studio 2005 on my machine, and I agree that VS2005 is really heavy. They improved upon it in VS2008, although I'm not sure if you'll consider the performance improvements enough.
Could you maybe time some operations and post them so we get an idea what you mean by "slow"? On my machine, I wouldn't call VS 2005 slow, but if you compare it to notepad or my web browser it seems slow. Here's some things that might help people figure out what's going on:
Turn off any features that could affect load time. This includes uninstalling all add-ons and making sure that VS isn't configured to automatically open a project.
Reboot your machine.
Time how long it starts VS 2005 to start, from the time you click the icon until the program starts.
Create a program that you're willing to post here that seems to compile slowly (this might not be possible depending on what it takes to make a slow compile); post the program and how long it takes your computer to build it.
Do you know anyone else with the same kind of machine that has VS 2005 installed? Does it seem slower or faster than yours?
I believe Lord Kelvin said the best thing that can be said about situations like this:
When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge of it is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely, in your thoughts, advanced it to the stage of science.
Until you give us some measurements to look at, we can't tell you if your machine is genuinely slow or if you are expecting more out of your machine than it can give. Your HT CPU might be the problem; I have roughly equivalent machines at work and at home, but my dual-core work machine runs circles around my single-core home machine when it comes to running VS.
VS 2005 is slower than VS 6 because it is less well optimized for speed. The developers of VS 6 had slower machines than the developers of VS 2005. They made it fast "enough" back then. On a modern machine VS is now "pleasantly fast", where VS 2005 is only just fast enough.
What annoys me is that they decided to scrap VS 6 and start again for VS 2005, when VS 6 was an awesome piece of software that just needed updating.
I noticed above you mentioned you are using perforcet too. Do projects load faster when not in perforce, I am willing to bet that some of the delay you are seeing is related to perforce during load. The latest version of perforce seems a lot slower too.
Change your Solution Platform on "Any CPU" option which is given on the top of Visual Studio then your program build speed will be definitely increased.
here's ya problem:
3.2GHz P4 Hyperthreaded, 2GB RAM
Hypertheaded means "doesn't actually have two CPU's, but it fakes it". If you have a process with just one thread running, then you get bad performance. It was a good short-term measure, but compared to having two REAL CPU's, it's a slow hack.
2GB of RAM would be an issue too, based on what you said you run. If you have a basic 5400RPM disk, then it's going to make it all worse.
I'd recommend, based on what you posted:
A good core2 machine, maybe a quad if you have the budget.
3GB of ram if you are running a 32bit OS, 4+GB if you are running x64. 4GB means you waste 1GB under 32bit.
Get 7200RPM disks, or better. If you can, RAID0 them (stripe) or RAID0+1 (stripe+mirror) if you can get 4 drives (stripe == split content over the two disks, so you can read from both at the same time. stripe+mirror == the safe version of striping, so your code is on TWO disks at all times)
I have a 2.0ghz Core2 (so roughly 3-4x the performance of your P4, if you count 2 CPU's(cores) to be 2x) with 2GB, and the most I can run well is 2 instances of VS.NET 2008. This is normal - nothing wrong with VS.NET, it's just a huge app.
More RAM. More CPU. More Screen. More. More. More :)