sorry for my dumb question, now that i got that i must use Javascript to use Websocket, this is client-side, but what about Serverside, why do i find people talking about RabbitMQ, Stomp, SocketIO, Tornadio
in the Tornado example, no one of them exists, so i said that Tornado is enough, but i found that people use them even with Tornado, here and here.
So what do i use? and for what?
Actually Tornado is a web-server and it supports web-sockets. Other things in your post are not webservers.
RabbitMQ is a message queue service, it's used to communicate between different services on the server
STOMP is a protocol to work with message queues.
Socket.IO is a framework that allows you to use websockets easily. But it requires Node.JS server on the server side. Socket.IO provides you some fallbacks if browser do not support WS protocol. Tornadio is a port of Socket.IO to Tornado. So you can use the same client framework (in web-browser) but on server-side you use Tornado instead of NodeJS.
So Tornado is enough for websockets. But if you'd like to create more complex apps you'll have to use other tools for other tasks. From your list - you can use Tornadio to deal with legacy browsers and RabbitMQ for interprocess communication on your server
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I would like to use socket.io or engine.io on client, but does it implies having a corresponding implementation on the server ? so socket.io on Client and a Java server with socket.io for instance ? Thx
Yes, a socket.io client must be talking to a socket.io server on the other end. socket.io is its own protocol on top of webSockets so you must have a reciprocal server on the other end that speaks the same protocol.
There are implementations of socket.io server for many server-side languages, including Java, Javascript, C++, C#, etc...
This question basically makes it sound like the node library Socket.io uses the library engine.io which uses ws.
What role do each of these play given that each one can independantly create a WebSocket connection?
Look at Introducing Socket.IO 1.0 - New engine to see why they made Engine.IO.
Engine.IO has all the browser hacks and different things for compatibility, and has modularised the Socket.IO codebase.
You are correct that Socket.IO uses Enginge.IO which uses ws.
Engine.IO takes care of the connection and browser hacks.
ws is used when upgrading to websockets.
Socket.IO handles:
setup/connection to http.Server. (but engine.io has this as well)
list of clients
rooms
namespaces
decoding/encoding of Socket.IO packet format
I built a realtime application that, thanks to Socket.IO, can serve a lot of different client types (C#, Java, Browser, ...)! I know that there are a lot of Socket.IO alternatives, but from my understanding, everything is more or less based on WebSockets. (I know that Socket.IO has fallbacks if WebSockets are not working, but that they are more less "inferior workarounds" so to speak...)
My question is: Is there any comparable real-time engine available that is NOT based on WebSockets, but can still serve all those different clients?
You don't say what your endpoints are. If one of the endpoints is a browser with purely the built-in capabilities of the browser and Javascript, then a webSocket is your only way to get a continuous connection from the browser to some other destination.
If a webSocket is not supported (in an older browser), then the other socket.io fallbacks (such as xhr-long-polling) are the next best alternatives. As the browser has limited communication capabilities, if you can't use a webSocket, then an ajax call is your only other generally supported option without requiring plug-ins on each browser (such as Flash or Java or something like that). socket.io already supports the next-best options that are available in a browser - you can't do better than that if you're talking about a standard browser with no custom plug-ins.
If your endpoints don't necessarily include a browser and you can use any language or library you want, then you can use plain TCP sockets and then use whatever protocol you want over a TCP socket.
The WebSocket protocol establishes a bidirectional communication channel between server and client; they kind of speak more naturally with each other. The server can just send something to the client and the other way around. In http it just goes in one direction, there's a request and a response and everything needs to be initiated with a request from the client.
From my experience, realtime webApps like a multiplayer game or a chat become easier to develop and it apparently creates less overhead than using http - but still you can do the same things more or less elegant with http as well (see e.g. long polling).
Look at gmail or other existing webApps, they all use http (so does Socket.io as a fallback) and it works quite well.
I had a huge confusion in WebSockets. I read some blog about WebSockets and it requires node websocket server, I downloaded the demo files and the chat application didn't seem to work. To summarize this, what do I need to use WebSockets? Do I need to download node server or something? And what is something to relate with socket.io to one another?
WebSockets?
WebSockets is a standard for implementing socket communication (to a server) over the web.
Is node required?
Now this server which the socket communication prevails between can be implemented in any way whatsoever. Node is surely a popular option to implement the server side in however its not the only, you can use python, erlang, ruby, or any other language where you can bind a socket connection.
What is socket.io?
socket.io is javascript library which makes it possible for socket OR socket-like connections over the web. See the WebSockets is a recent standard, not all browsers support it, only the modern ones do (proof: http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets). What makes socket.io so popular, rainbow and fairy tale like (and one of the main reasons why you happened to stumble upon it while researching WebSockets) is that it will make socket/socket-like communications possible in all browsers.
socket: when socket.io detects a browser supporting WebSockets, in which case it uses this WebSockets implementation for the socket communications.
socket-like: however when socket.io detects a browser which does NOT support WebSockets it will still provide you with socket-like communication. Tid bit: the internals of this feature use AJAX polling.
Node is a good place to start for websockets, but by no means the only place.
I would probably start here:
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/websockets/basics/
I'm experimenting with mqttjs and websockets and I wish to be able to send messages from a webpage using websockets without a bridge to an MQTT broker that is run by mqttjs. I can't find any information if this is available or even possible.
I've looked at mosquitto and they have "experimental" websocket support and I would love to find a Node.JS MQTT broker which could offer the same.
Thus far I got the communication working with pywebsocket and Socket.IO. I would really appreciate pointers in any direction if it is possible to use websockets to mqtt without bridging.
Thanks.
Is old question but is good to share my findings.
You can use the mosca broker that is written in node.js and is using mqtt.js
The mosca is supporting classic mqtt connection and mqtt over WS :
MQTT-over-Websockets
Mosca can operate in two modes: Standalone and as a node.js module.
In general mosca can support many types of brokers:
Mosca-advanced-usage
HiveMQ supports native websockets, which means you can use any Javascript MQTT library (like Eclipse Paho.js with websockets. It's perfectly possible to connect some clients vie websockets and other clients via standard TCP connection. The websocket support is stable and used in production.
The only drawback for you could be that HiveMQ is not written in Node.JS.
Disclosure: I am one of the developers of HiveMQ.