Is there any bottleneck above the physical the cpu and HAL? Or are there multiple ways a process could start under Windows XP, Vista, or 7, that don't invovle CreateProcess at some point?
Given the comment on your question:
Building an Anti-Executable driver, just planning, wondering if controlling createprocess would be enough.
No it wouldn't be enough if security is your concern. There is NtCreateProcess below that one for example. And those aren't the only ones.
The best way provided by the system is a file system filter driver. In fact the WDK comes with samples that require only a moderate amount of change to do what you're asking. Since you asked about XP you can use a minifilter if you can get away with support for XP SP1 and later.
PsSetLoadImageNotifyRoutine and PsSetCreateProcessNotifyRoutine are unfortunately only notifications. So they don't allow to do anything about the event that they notify about. And you really shouldn't attempt to work around this.
In the old times I have seen some clever implementations using SSDT hooks on ZwCreateSection that would exchange the returned handle with one to an executable that shows an error message. Since the executable itself sees the original command line, it can then show a nice error message informing the user that the command has been banned for reasons xyz. However, with Vista and later and even on XP and 2003 64bit (x64), it's going to be harder to write the SSDT hooks. Not to mention that everyone would frown upon it, that it requires quite extensive experience to get it right (and even then it often has flaws that can cause havoc) and that you can forget any certifications you may be aspiring for in the Windows Logo process.
Conclusion: use a file system filter driver to deny access to unwanted executables. With a minifilter the learning curve will be moderate, with a legacy filter I'll recommend you take a few courses first and then start your first attempts.
Looking through a quick disassembly of CreateProcess, it appears that the two main things it does are:
Call NtCreateUserProcess (this is syscall 0xAA) to actually create the process structures in the kernel (PEB, etc.)
Start the new process with a call to NtResumeThread (syscall 0x4F).
The Windows Internals books certainly detail this process very well.
I'm not sure if there are designated hooks in the kernel which would allow you to create your anti-executable driver. It used to be that you could hook the "System Service Dispatch Table" to change how these system calls behaved. But now, technologies like PatchGuard prevent a driver from doing this (and allowing the system to run).
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I have a completely random error popping up on a particular piece of software out in the field. The application is a game written in VB6 and is running on Windows 7 64-bit. Every once in a while, the app crashes, with a generic "program.exe has stopped responding" message box. This game can run fine for days on end until this message appears, or within a matter of hours. No exception is being thrown.
We run this app in Windows 2000 compatibility mode (this was its original OS), with visual themes disabled, and as an administrator. The app itself is purposely simple in terms of using external components and API calls.
References:
Visual Basic for Applications
Visual Basic runtime objects and procedures
Visual Basic objects and procedures
OLE Automation
Microsoft DAO 3.51 Object Library
Microsoft Data Formatting Object Library
Components:
Microsoft Comm Control 6.0
Microsoft Windows Common Controls 6.0 (SP6)
Resizer XT
As you can see, these are pretty straightforward, Microsoft-standard tools, for the most part. The database components exist to interact with an Access database used for bookkeeping, and the Resizer XT was inserted to move this game more easily from its original 800x600 resolution to 1920x1080.
There is no networking enabled on the kiosks; no network drivers, and hence no connections to remote databases. Everything is encapsulated in a single box.
In the Windows Application event log, when this happens, there is an Event ID 1000 faulting a seemingly random module -- so far, either ntdll.dll or lpk.dll. In terms of API calls, I don't see any from ntdll.dll. We are using kernel32, user32, and winmm, for various file system and sound functions. I can't reproduce as it is completely random, so I don't even know where to start troubleshooting. Any ideas?
EDIT: A little more info. I've tried several different versions of Dependency Walker, at the suggestion of some other developers, and the latest version shows that I am missing IESHIMS.dll and GRPSVC.dll (these two seems to be well-known bugs in Depends.exe), and that I have missing symbols in COMCTRL32.dll and IEFRAME.dll. Any clues there?
The message from the application event log isn't that useful - what you need is a post mortem process dump from your process - so you can see where in your code things started going wrong.
Every time I've seen one of these problems it generally comes down to a bad API parameter rather than something more exotic, this may be caused by bad data coming in, but usually it's a good ol fashioned bug that causes the problem.
As you've probably figured already this isn't going to be easy to debug; ideally you'd have a repeatable failure case to debug, instead of relying on capturing dump files from a remote machine, but until you can make it repeatable remote dumps are the only way forwards.
Dr Watson used to do this, but is no longer shipped, so the alternatives are:
How to use the Userdump.exe tool to create a dump file
Sysinternals ProcDump
Collecting User-Mode dumps
What you need to get is a minidump, these contain the important parts of the process space, excluding standard modules (e.g. Kernel32.dll) - and replacing the dump with a version number.
There are instructions for Automatically Capturing a Dump When a Process Crashes - which uses cdb.exe shipped with the debugging tools, however the crucial item is the registry key \\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AeDebug
You can change your code to add better error handling - especially useful if you can narrow down the cause to a few procedures and use the techniques described in Using symbolic debug information to locate a program crash. to directly process the map files.
Once you've got a minidump and the symbol files WinDbg is the tool of choice for digging into these dumps - however it can be a bit of a voyage to discover what the cause is.
The only other thing I'd consider, and this depends on your application structure, is to attempt to capture all input events for replay.
Another option is to find a copy of VMWare 7.1 which has replay debugging and use that as the first step in capturing a reproducible set of steps.
Right click your executable object and let it be WINXP compatible pending
when you discover source of the problem to finally solve it
I wrote some program which uses information about (reads via Windows) hardware of the current PC (big program, so I can't post here code) and sometimes my windows 7 crashes, the worst thing is that I have no idea why, and debug doesn't help me, is there any way to receive from windows 7 some kind of log, why it crashed? thanks in advance for any help
The correct (but somewhat ugly) answer:
Go to Computer->Properties, go to 'Advanced System Settings'.
Under startup and recovery, make sure it is set to "Kernel memory dump" and note the location of the dump file (on a completely default install, you are looking at C:\windows\memory.dmp)
You optimally want to install Windows Debugging tools (now in the Windows SDK) as well as setting the MS Symbol store in your symbol settings (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff552208(v=vs.85).aspx)
Once youv'e done all that, wait for a crash and inspect memory.dmp in the debugger. Usually you will not see the exact crash because your driver vendors don't include symbols, but you will also generally get to see the DLL name that is involved in the crash, which should point you to what driver you are dealing with.
If you are not seeing a specific driver DLL name in the stack, it often indicates to me a hardware failure (like memory or overhead) that needs to be addressed.
MS has a good article here at technet that describes what I mentioned above (but step by step and in greater detail) http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/archive/2008/11/01/how-to-debug-kernel-mode-blue-screen-crashes-for-beginners.aspx
You can also look at the event log as someone else noted, but generally the information there is next to useless, beyond the actual kernel message (which can sometimes vaguely indicate whether the problem is driver or something else)
I have some customers/candidate who complained that my program doesn't work on their Windows 7 64 bit version (confirmed with screenshots). The errors were strange, for example:
in the trial version i am
getting a error message whenever i
click on \"mark\" \"delete\" \"help\".
error msg is: Access violation at
address 0046C978 in module
\'ideduper.exe.\' read of address
00000004
windows 7 ultimate 64bit. i7 920
#2.67GHz 9gb or ram
'Mark', 'delete' and 'help' are just standard TToolButton on TToolbar.
The other example is failing to get a thumbnail from IExtractImage.
I have told them to try Compatibility mode but still doesn't work.
The problem is when I tested it on Windows 7 HP 64-bit on my computer (which I've done it before released it actually) it just works fine! So I don't know what causing it
Do you have any advice ?Are different Windows package (home basic,premium,ultimate,etc) treating 32 bit prog differently ?Are the newer version of Delphis (I use 2006) more compatible with 64 bit Windows ? Do I need to wait until 64 bit compiler out?
Thanks in advance
Your best bet in my opinion is to add MadExcept or EurekaLog or something similar to your application and give it to the customer to try again. MadExcept will generate log with stack trace, which will give you a clearer view of what is happening there.
To answer 2nd part of the question, 32bit Delphi programs work fine on 64bit Windows 7. I think it's more likely you have some memory management problems and the customer just happens to stumble upon them while you don't. Use FastMM4 to track those down.
Your applications is trying to access an invalid pointer. Changing environment may surface issues that are hidden in others. Check your application, and use FastMM + JCL+JCVL/MadExcept/EurekaLog to get a detailed trace of the issue. Some Windows APIs may have some stricter call requisites under 7 and/or 64 bit, but we would have to know what your app actually cals.
A free alternative to MadExcept is JCL Debug stuff. However it is less thorough and doesn't include the cool dialog box to send the stack trace to you via email, or as a file you can attach and manually email.
MadExcept is worth the money, and it is free for non-commercial use. You could try it first on your own PC, observe its functionality, and be sure it functions the way you want, and then buy it.
If buying Delphi is worth it (and it is!) then buying mad Except is a no brainer. But if you insist on rolling your own, JCLDebug (part of jedi code library) is also pretty nice.
Give them a stripped down version of your app and see when the problem goes away. I am betting it is your code as I never had any problems with my (hundreds of) W7/64 clients.
I'd be willing to bet it's an issue in your code. The reason it's failing on your customer's machine and not yours is that your machine probably has the default Data Execution Protection (DEP) enabled (which is turned on only for essential Windows programs and services), while your customer's computer is actually using DEP as intended (turned on for all programs and services).
The default setting (which is compatible with older versions of Windows, like 95/98/ME), allows software to execute code from what should be data segments. The more strict setting won't allow this, and raises a system-level exception instead.
You can check the settings between the two by looking at System Properties. I'm not at a Win7 machine right now, but on WinXP you get there by right-clicking on My Computer, choosing Properties, clicking on Performance Options, and then selecting the "Data Execution Prevention" tab. Find it on Vista/Win7 by using the Help; search for Data Execution Protection.
The solution, as previous answers have told you, is to install MadExcept or EurekaLog. You can also get a free version as part of JEDI, in JCLDebug IIRC. I haven't used it, so I can't vouch for it personally. I've heard it's pretty good, though.
If you don't want to go that route, set a breakpoint somewhere in the startup portion of your app (make sure to build with debugging info turned on). Run your app until the breakpoint is hit, and then use the IDE's Search->Goto Address (which is disabled until the breakpoint is hit). Enter the address from the exception dialog (not the one that's almost all zeros, but the 0046C978 address, prefixed with $ to indicate it's in hex) as in $0046C978. You'll probably end up in the CPU window looking at assembly code, but you can usually pick out a line of Delphi code of some sort that can sometimes give you a place to start looking.
In addition to all previous suggestions, I'll add the difference in accessing Registry under WOW64 compared to Win32. If your application is accessing Registry to read or write some settings, you should be aware of this. First, take a look at this and this page in the MSDN. On this page you will find 2 flags that determine the access you get to Registry from 32- or 64-bit application. KEY_WOW64_64KEY is the one that you should use.
In any case, I agree with others about using madExcept (or any other similar tool) to be able to find the exact cause of your problems.
I need to monitor and, if it is needed, decline process start in the Windows XP and Vista OS?
What are known/documented/undocmented methods? What about known hacks of this methods?
(It will be used for the shareware firewall/security software).
Be very careful with any code that thinks it knows enough about what a user is doing to know whether or not to allow a process to start. It's a great way to find out how much you don't know about your users, but only if you provide an email address for the users to send complaints to.
An example was some VPN software I worked with that hooked into the Windows system to be notified whenever a DLL was loaded. It actually caused BSOD when running a very common application - Visual Studio. The manufacturer wasn't aware of how modular VS is, and that starting it loads many DLLs, and sometimes even more during execution, as new features are loaded.
When you put yourself in the position to do things for your users, you have the responsibility to know enough to do them correctly.
For monitoring you can use WMI events.
There is no[1] method to decide whether to allow the start or not. If you are on Pro/Biz/Ent/Ultimate editions group policy can be used to block specified executables from being launched, or limit to a specified list.
[1] As far as I am aware.
Just curious here: is it possible to invoke a Windows Blue Screen of Death using .net managed code under Windows XP/Vista? And if it is possible, what could the example code be?
Just for the record, this is not for any malicious purpose, I am just wondering what kind of code it would take to actually kill the operating system as specified.
The keyboard thing is probably a good option, but if you need to do it by code, continue reading...
You don't really need anything to barf, per se, all you need to do is find the KeBugCheck(Ex) function and invoke that.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms801640.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms801645.aspx
For manually initiated crashes, you want to used 0xE2 (MANUALLY_INITIATED_CRASH) or 0xDEADDEAD (MANUALLY_INITIATED_CRASH1) as the bug check code. They are reserved explicitly for that use.
However, finding the function may prove to be a bit tricky. The Windows DDK may help (check Ntddk.h) - I don't have it available at the moment, and I can't seem to find decisive info right now - I think it's in ntoskrnl.exe or ntkrnlpa.exe, but I'm not sure, and don't currently have the tools to verify it.
You might find it easier to just write a simple C++ app or something that calls the function, and then just running that.
Mind you, I'm assuming that Windows doesn't block you from accessing the function from user-space (.NET might have some special provisions). I have not tested it myself.
I do not know if it really works and I am sure you need Admin rights, but you could set the CrashOnCtrlScroll Registry Key and then use a SendKeys to send CTRL+Scroll Lock+Scroll Lock.
But I believe that this HAS to come from the Keyboard Driver, so I guess a simple SendKeys is not good enough and you would either need to somehow hook into the Keyboard Driver (sounds really messy) or check of that CrashDump has an API that can be called with P/Invoke.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244139
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\i8042prt\Parameters
Name: CrashOnCtrlScroll
Data Type: REG_DWORD
Value: 1
Restart
I would have to say no. You'd have to p/invoke and interact with a driver or other code that lives in kernel space. .NET code lives far removed from this area, although there has been some talk about managed drivers in future versions of Windows. Just wait a few more years and you can crash away just like our unmanaged friends.
As far as I know a real BSOD requires failure in kernel mode code. Vista still has BSOD's but they're less frequent because the new driver model has less drivers in kernel mode. Any user-mode failures will just result in your application being killed.
You can't run managed code in kernel mode. So if you want to BSOD you need to use PInvoke. But even this is quite difficult. You need to do some really fancy PInvokes to get something in kernel mode to barf.
But among the thousands of SO users there is probably someone who has done this :-)
You could use OSR Online's tool that triggers a kernel crash. I've never tried it myself but I imagine you could just run it via the standard .net Process class:
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?article=153
I once managed to generate a BSOD on Windows XP using System.Net.Sockets in .NET 1.1 irresponsibly. I could repeat it fairly regularly, but unfortunately that was a couple of years ago and I don't remember exactly how I triggered it, or have the source code around anymore.
Try live videoinput using directshow in directx8 or directx9, most of the calls go to kernel mode video drivers. I succeded in lots of blue screens when running a callback procedure from live videocaptureing source, particulary if your callback takes a long time, can halt the entire Kernel driver.
It's possible for managed code to cause a bugcheck when it has access to faulty kernel drivers. However, it would be the kernel driver that directly causes the BSOD (for example, uffe's DirectShow BSODs, Terence Lewis's socket BSODs, or BSODs seen when using BitTorrent with certain network adapters).
Direct user-mode access to privileged low-level resources may cause a bugcheck (for example, scribbling on Device\PhysicalMemory, if it doesn't corrupt your hard disk first; Vista doesn't allow user-mode access to physical memory).
If you just want a dump file, Mendelt's suggestion of using WinDbg is a much better idea than exploiting a bug in a kernel driver. Unfortunately, the .dump command is not supported for local kernel debugging, so you would need a second PC connected over serial or 1394, or a VM connected over a virtual serial port. LiveKd may be a single-PC option, if you don't need the state of the memory dump to be completely self-consistent.
This one doesn't need any kernel-mode drivers, just a SeDebugPrivilege. You can set your process critical by NtSetInformationProcess, or RtlSetProcessIsCritical and just kill your process. You will see same bugcheck code as you kill csrss.exe, because you set same "critical" flag on your process.
Unfortunately, I know how to do this as a .NET service on our server was causing a blue screen. (Note: Windows Server 2008 R2, not XP/Vista).
I could hardly believe a .NET program was the culprit, but it was. Furthermore, I've just replicated the BSOD in a virtual machine.
The offending code, causes a 0x00000f4:
string name = string.Empty; // This is the cause of the problem, should check for IsNullOrWhiteSpace
foreach (Process process in Process.GetProcesses().Where(p => p.ProcessName.StartsWith(name, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase)))
{
Check.Logging.Write("FindAndKillProcess THIS SHOULD BLUE SCREEN " + process.ProcessName);
process.Kill();
r = true;
}
If anyone's wondering why I'd want to replicate the blue screen, it's nothing malicious. I've modified our logging class to take an argument telling it to write direct to disk as the actions prior to the BSOD weren't appearing in the log despite .Flush() being called. I replicated the server crash to test the logging change. The VM duly crashed but the logging worked.
EDIT: Killing csrss.exe appears to be what causes the blue screen. As per comments, this is likely happening in kernel code.
I found that if you run taskkill /F /IM svchost.exe as an Administrator, it tries to kill just about every service host at once.