We've a solution (~200 projects + tests) which is running on Windows XP SP3, compiles in VS2010 32bit configuration.
The plan is to migrate to Win7, VS2013 and compile under 64-bit.
I know that there is a new MS Windows SDK available for Win7 and VS2013 must make use of it.
What is the most correct order of doing all this stuff - correct in a sense that it will cause minimum hassles, minimum number of repetative operations etc.
Maybe some useful tips..
Thanks
I would migrate to Visual Studio 2013 first, run a full suite of regression tests, and then port to x64.
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I have a new VM on which I have installed Visual studio.
I created a new SSIS project, and am trying to use the oledb data source task to access an .accdb MS-Access file.
However I cannot see the Provider. So I installed the Access 32 bit runtime. Now I can see the provider. I am reading that since visual studio is a 32-bit tool, we have to install the Access 32bit runtime. Otherwise if we install the 64bit runtime, then we will not be able to see the provider in the list because visual studio is 32bit and only shows 32bit providers.
When I hit the debug button in visual studio SSIS project it can access the MS-Access file. I am now confused and want to ask - when the project is running, does it run in 32 or 64 bit mode? If the answer is 64bit mode, then how can it access the MS-access file using the 32bit provider? Does it mean that project running in 64 bit mode can utilize 32 bit mode runtime/provider?
Assuming no settings are changed, when debug button is pressed, then does the program execute is 32 or 64 bit mode? Does the OS bitness have any impact on this?
You are quite right and quite close here.
Since Visual Studio is x32 bits?
Well, if your project is set to x86 (x32 bits) or set to ANY CPU?
Then hitting F5 to run + debug (or ctrl-F5 to run the .exe without debug), then you will get (have) a x32 bit running program. Some caution here. If you use ANY cpu? then again FROM VS f5 to run - you get a x32 bit process.
But, if you go to the windows commnd line?
Well, if you launch teh windows x64 bit command line (default on most computers), then if the project is ANY cpu? Then your app run will be x64 bits. (and ANY un-manged code such as Access, or any other windows code used for COM autoamtion? it will break.
If you launch the windows x32 bit command line (with any CPU) then you get a x32 bit version running.
So, from VS - F5 - always x32 bits.
From windows command line - depends.
So, what above suggests? Well, if your intention is to have + use x32 bits process? Then FORCE/SET the project to your intentions. That way, no "by chance" will fool you, and your application will ALWAYS run as to the project settings.
So, in such cases, I do avoid ANY CPU.
Now, what happens if you force the project to x64 bits? eg this:
Well, if you pick x64 bits? (and not any cpu, and not x86).
Then hitting f5 (or ctrl-F5), it WILL run the application as a x64 bits in-process. I am not sure quite how VS works, but they have some kind of "bridge" that marshals the x64 bit debugger to talk to VS x32 bits.
So, if you force the project to x64, then it will always run as x64 bit - including from VS.
So, this means:
if you set project to x64 bits - use a connection builder in settings?
You can use the connection builder but since (we assume) that you using
access x64 bits? Then the test connection button in VS will NEVER work.
But, if you run the code as x64, and have access x64, then it will work. So ONLY the test connection button fails - and that's due to VS being x32.
If you have even the wrong version of Access (say x32 bits), and your project is set to x64? Then the connection builders will work and EVEN the test connection will work (because test connection is ALWAYS x32 bits from VS). This has the effect of you building a connection, hitting test connection - it says good!!! But when you run the project (f5, ctrl-f5), the project runs as x64, and it will fail (this example assumes x32 bits).
Now this is building an writing code from VS. I don't' know of a SSIS package built with Visual Studio works different. But we do NOT want to confuse Visual Studio (VS) with that of say sql studio or other systems - they don't have the project "cpu" or "bit" setting options like you do for a VS project.
So, I quite much suggest if your intention is x32 bit operations, then ALWAYS force the VS project to x32 bits, and thus come time to launch that .exe from windows, then it will never run with a wrong or un-expected bit size.
I not tested a SISIS integration project, but if building this from VS? Then once again, force/set the project bit size.
In effect to remove the "chance" of the wrong bit size? Then force the project to the given bit size you as the developer were intending to use here - that way this is not left to chance.
There ARE times when you want to use ANY cpu. A really good example is when you build say class library code to share amoung projects. In that case, ANY cpu is a good choice, since then EVEN projects forced to x32 or x64 can referances those external assemblies and library code.
However, if you force those external assemblies to a given bit size, then only projects running that that correct bit size can consume such libraries.
.net code (managed) is differnt then un-managed code. .net code has the ability to run "either" x32 or x64 if you choose ANY cpu. But un-managed code (external non .net code such as Access) can't change on the fly like .net code can. And I use the term "on the fly lose here". Since ONCE a .net program starts running x32 or x64? It remains that bit size until terminated.
So, ANY CPU is fine for external class library code you write and thus want to include in any project. But the main project .exe program has to use SOME external non .net (non managed) code? Then you would do very well to force the project bit size settings.
And to answer you last question?
If the provider is a .net one, such as sql provider or whatever? Then it is managed code - cpu settings don't matter. it is ONLY when you start using external code systems that are NOT managed and NOT .net code. MS-Access is one such common example. So would be any windows c++ or even a lot of commerial programs.
For example. Sage/Simply accoutning, and Quickbooks accounting? They offer .net SDK's to interface to those accoutning packages. But they only have x32 bit verisons of those desktop programs - and they are not .net prorgrams. So once agian, you do well to force the project to x32 bits.
So, no x64 bit process can consume a x32 bit process. nor can you consume external librares that don't match.
However, if that library code and system is .net (managed code), and was compiled and created with any CPU, then you don't have any restrictions in regards to using ANY cpu, or even consuming those libraires when you force the .net project cpu settings.
So this whole system ONLY breaks down when you introduce or start using external code libraires.
For example, if you use .net ghostscript library? They have two versions - x32 and x64. And thus just like MS-Access you have to match up the bit size of those external libraries.
This actually is a REALLY nasty problem say for Adobe PDF. Their pdf viewers are x32 only. In fact it was only what - last month they started offering x64 bit versions of their PDF adobe reader. And they no doubt started doing this since office is now moving towards being x64 bits and not a x32 bit system/program.
The subject says it all...
I am not, however, asking if the VB5 IDE will install and run on Vista/Windows 7 - just the project output.
Thanks
[UPDATE]
I found some more information that seems to show that not only will VB5 apps run under Windows 7 (x64) - but the IDE does too.
http://www.vbforums.com/archive/index.php/t-619859.html
[UPDATE]
Thanks Jay, It makes sense that these programs wont run on x64 (any O/S) - I don't know how the vbforums member got it running on Win7 x64.
Yes, it does. I have several applications(.exe files) compiled with VB5, which I can run on my 64 Bit W7 machine without any extra setting.
I'm working on a new VS2010 Solution that is going to have to have a Windows and a Web Installer (two separate setup projects).
At the heart of my VS2010 Solution is the database: SQL Server CE 3.5 SP1
I know that 64-bit machines need both the 32-bit version of SqlServerCe and the 64-bit versions of SqlServerCe.
I know how to add custom installer scripts to check that both 32 and 64 bit versions are there and that their version numbers match up in the registry.
My setup projects show SqlServerCe as one of the detected dependencies.
So, my question is, do I need to use my custom installer scripts specified above to check for the right versions, or will the installer add these if they are not already on the system?
VS6 popped off a series of errors before bombing out completely during install on Windows 7. I specifically need to get VB6 functioning on Windows 7. Anyone having any luck?
Folks on the VB6 newsgroup report they have managed to get it working on Windows 7.
There's this step-by-step guide on how to install the IDE on Windows 7 (including 64 bit).
If that doesn't work (scrapes barrel) try this old tip about persuading the install not to install the Java VM? Link is now broken so here is the tip:
Before trying to install VB6. Create a new file, name it msjava.dll and place it in your windows directory. The file can be zero length. You can then happily install without the prompt to install an old version of Microsoft's flavour of Java. Once you have installed VB6, delete the msjava.dll otherwise windows update will prompt you to update it.
Or (scrapes hole in barrel) these tips from an article about getting the IDE working on Vista?
Footnote: if developing with ADO, be aware of this.
The only way I've found that works is Windows XP mode (i.e. a virtual machine). Works fine there, but otherwise, not at all.
I found ALL the answers in a thread at vbmonster.com. As mentioned above, you CAN install Visual Studio 6 with Service Pack 6 under Windows 7 by following Derek's detailed instructions at fortypoundhead.com.
I had a problem because I needed to install Service Pack 5. I use a third party program that does not work with Service Pack 6. A really smart programmer (GuideX) came up with a great hack to get around the MDAC 2.5 error.
Win 7 64 bit service pack 5 & 6. Turn compatability off and it seems to work.
Recently I had to debug an ancient application written in Visual C++ 6.0 on Windows 8.1. Tried different solutions all of them failed, only this one worked.
This guys made a special installer that allows installing VC++6, VB6, and SP6 on Windows Vista/7/8/8.1/10 without any errors whatsoever.
Hope it would be helpful to someone.
I installed VB6 on Windows 7 Pro without having to use compatibility settings or run as administrator.
Doesn't really help you, but does show that it can work.
Several people in my office have installed Visual Studio 6 (without VC++) on Windows 7, both 32-bit and 64-bit with no problems. The one thing we have in common: we've all turned UAC down to it's lowest setting. Nothing else special required.
I am using vb6 on windows 7 32 bit system for a long time.
you will need to install your vb6 with compatibility of xp2.
Create a 0-byte file in the C:\Windows directory called msjava.dll.
Don't just install via the Autorun executable; instead browse the Visual Studio 6 CD (or folder), right-click Setup.exe and select Run As Administrator.
On any Program Compatibility Assistant warnings, click Run Program.
Step through the setup screens until you're able to choose Custom Setup, then click next.
On the setup options, install the following items and nothing else:
Microsoft Visual Basic 6.0
ActiveX
Data Access
Graphics
Click continue and the process will start, and (hopefully) eventually complete.
Skip the installations of the MSDN CD, BackOffice, VSS and SNA Server, and clear the checkbox for "Register Now". Setup should be complete.
Download the VB6 Service Pack 6 from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?FamilyID=A8494EDB-2E89-4676-A16A-5C5477CB9713&displaylang=en and install.
Change the compatibility settings for Visual Basic (to get it to run a little more smoothly under Windows 7) by browsing to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VB98, right-clicking the VB6.exe file, and selecting properties.
On the Compatibility tab, check the following:
Run this program in compatibility mode for Windows XP (Service Pack 3)
Disable Visual Themes
Disable Desktop Composition
Disable display scaling on high DPI settings
When you start up the IDE, you may get a notification saying that the color scheme has been changed to Windows 7 Basic, but it will be changed back to Aero once you exit. Everything should be working fine at this point!
Note: when you first run your new install vb6 run it with admin rights and with xp2 compatibility so that your exe can run on any system.
The word "supported" is used loosely in this thread, potentially leading the unwary reader to the conclusion that Microsoft supports the VB6 IDE (that is, the integrated development environment) on operating systems beyond Windows XP. This fact clearly is stated in the table that appears on the page at this link:
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/nikosan/2012/04/20/support-statement-for-visual-basic-6-0-on-windows-8-updated/
Note that executables developed using VB6 are in fact compatible with Windows OS's from Windows XP through Windows 10--32/64-bit versions:
https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2015/06/22/getting-ready-for-windows-10-sdks-compatibility-bridges/
Anyone using non-standard methods to coax the IDE into working on OS's that Microsoft does not support is exposing themselves/their organizations/their employers to risk and is not suitable for risk-averse organizations.
Having said that, I think the purest solution is to install Windows XP onto a virtual machine and run that VM in a modern host OS, such as Windows 10. That works just fine, and you can install directly from the VB6 Setup disc without making any pre-install/post-install customizations.
I had a Vista x64 box with a working copy of the VB6 IDE (which was supported). I upgraded the OS to Windows 7 x64 and the VB6 IDE still works fine. You could try that. I know, a huge PITA and kludgy but still, it worked for me.
I run Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit, installed Windows Virtual PC - XP Mode, and that solved my problem isince I can run MSDEV 6.0 in the XP Window.
Not esay to install XP Mode though, the MS site is buggy.
The VB6 programming language is supported on the Windows 10 Technical Preview.
Visual Vasic 6 applications run and the VB6 IDE installs and works too.
I have the VB6 IDE running OK on Win-XP-16, Win-7-32, Win-7-64, Win-8.1-32, Win-8.1-64, win-10-32 and win-10-64 by using the instructions above which basically say, turn off UAC, run the installer AS ADMIN, and then set the VB6.exe file to run in XP-SP3 Compatibility mode.
I have had some issues with it and have had to do a bit more googling to solve these but I don't remember any more what those issues or solutions were.
I've even got the VB3 IDE running on the 32-bit versions of XP, Win-7, Win 8.1 and Win-10 - without even installing them - just copied the C:\VB folder from another computer and copied the *.LIC license files and *.VBX etc files as well.
I have successfully installed vb6 on win 7 32 bit by installing xp first then installing new win 7, (not upgrade), and do not format. then it will install vb6 without a problem
It's depending on your build version of Windows 7.
If your Win7's version is lower or is not updated, it has MANY PROBLEMS with compatibility.
But mine is newer Win7 version and has NO COMPATIBILITY TROUBLE.
I am currently using VB6 , VS6 and they still work fine!
If Properties->Compatibility->Windows XP doesn't help, fix it with UPDATING your Win7.
I'm wondering if I can still develop 32-bit apps using a 64-bit machine (64-bit Windows Vista with Visual Studio 2008 SP1)? Because I am planning to buy a laptop with 64-bit Vista. Im asking just to make sure. Thanks!
64-bit Windows runs 32-bit Visual Studio just fine. Unless you specify you wish you use the x64 development tools, it will still compile 32-bit applications.
Straight from the page:
Visual Studio uses the 32-bit cross
compiler even on a Windows 64-bit
computer. You can, however, use devenv
commands to create a command line
environment to call 64-bit hosted
tools.
Further Information: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms246588(VS.80).aspx
With Visual Studio you are able to target what platform. By default it will run on "Any CPU" (read 32 or 64 bit), but you can specify if you desire. Look under Project>Properties>Build and look for the "Platform Target" property.
Yes. 64-bit vista will run 32-bit executables, so if you have a 32-bit compiler, it will still work.
Within visual studio you can tell it what to compile to under the Configuration Manager - (Build Menu - Configuration manager) - this allows you to target 32 or 64 bit.
64bit of consumer hardwares is usually "amd64" architecture which can run both 32bit apps and 64bit ones natively. Windows Vista 64bit edition supports both 32bit and 64bit system libraries, so basically you can run both type of applications as well. (Note that IA-64 architecture does not allow this.)
Compiling a program in 64bit is not much related to the platform that the compiler runs. But, of course, to run and test the result binary requires the corresponding architecture.
As many mentioned above, VS2008 let you choose the target architecture, so there's no problem.
I've found that just the setup.exe created by Visual Studio 2012 Express won't work on XP, but if you go ahead load MS 4.0 .NET Framework from the Microsoft Website then the *.application will load and install without using the setup.exe at all.