I've tried to find an answer for this on MSDN, but I'm not getting a clear picture of how this is intended to work. All of my work is on Windows 8.1.
Here is my issue. I am working on a Laptop with a high resolution monitor, 3200x1800. I've been using EnumDisplayMonitors to get the bounding rectangle of my screen.
This seems to work fine if my display settings are default. But I've noticed that when I change the Window display settings to provide larger text, the resolution returned by EnumDisplayMonitor changes. Rather than getting 3200x1800 I will get 2133x1200.
I'm guessing since I asked for larger text, Windows chooses to represent the screen as a smaller resolution.
It seems that if I look at the virtual screen properties, everything is represented in the actual coordinates of my screen, i.e. 3200x1800. But the APIs for getting the window and monitor rectangles seem to operate on this "other" coordinate space.
Is there any documentation/Windows APIs to handle the conversion between these "other coordinates" and the "virtual coordinates"? i.e. if I want EnumDisplayMonitor or GetMonitorInfo to give me the true screen coordinates, how could I convert 2133x1200 to 3200x1800?
You have increased the DPI of the video adapter to 150% (144 dots per inch) to keep text readable and avoid having windows the size of a postage stamp. Quite necessary on such high resolution displays. But you haven't told Windows that your program knows how to deal with it.
So it assumes your program is an old one that was never designed to run on such monitors. It helps and lies to you. It gets your program to render its output to a memory buffer, then takes that output, rescales it by 150% and copies it to the video adapter. This is something you can see, text looks fuzzier if you put your program's output next to a program that doesn't ask for this kind of scaling, like Notepad.
And of course, it lies to you when you ask for the size of the screen. It tells you that it is 150% smaller than it really is. So that, after rescaling, a window you create will fill the screen.
Which is all just fine but of course not ideal, your program doesn't look as good as it should. You have to tell Windows that you know how to deal with the higher resolution. Do beware that this looks easier than it is in practice. Getting text to look crisp is trivial, it is bitmaps that are problematic. And in general a fertile source of bugs, even the big companies can get this wrong.
Before I start with an answer, let me ask: what are you really trying to do ? Or more specific - why do you need to know the monitor resolution ? The standard way to do this is to call GetWindowRect(GetDesktopWindow(), &rect) I'm not sure if the screen coordinates change based on DPI settings - but you should try that instead of GetMonitorInfo as the latter is for more advanced stuff. And if GetWindowRect still returns back a scaled rect, just call DPtoLP, LPtoDP or other mapping coordinate function as appropriate.
When you adjust the display settings as you described, you are actually changing the DPI settings of the screen. As such, certain APIs go into compatibility mode so that they allow the app to create larger elements and windows without knowing anything about this setting.
Why do you need to know the actual screen resolution since most of the windowing APIs will behave accordingly when the DPI scaling changes?
I suspect you could call SetProcessDPIAware or the manifest file equivalent. But do read this MSDN article first to understand DPI scaling.
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There are some apps which can scan the screen and detect things in real time. For example, the macOS preinstalled app "Digital Color Meter". I can move the cursor and the app detects immediately which color is in the area around my cursor. So my question is, how can I do things like this? How can I "scan" the screen and detect objects or colors in a selected area in real time? I can't find a solution.
Digital Color Meter only captures a small square of the screen. If that's all you need, try CGDisplayCreateImageForRect and see if it's fast enough.
If that's not fast enough, look at the CGDisplayStream functions, starting with CGDisplayStreamCreate or CGDisplayStreamCreateWithDispatchQueue. These functions are significantly more complicated than CGDisplayCreateImageForRect and you'll have to learn about IOSurfaceRef to get at the pixel data from a CGDisplayStream.
Todays displays have a quite huge range in size and resolution. For example, my 34.5cm × 19.5cm display (resulting in a diagonal of 39.6cm or 15.6") has 1366 × 768 pixels, whereas the MacBook Pro (3rd generation) with a 15" diagonal has 2880×1800 pixels.
Multiple people complained that everything is too small with such high resolution displays (see example). That is simple to explain when developers use pixels to define their GUI. For "traditional displays", this is not a big problem as the pixels might have about the same size on most monitors. But on the new monitors with much higher pixel density the pixels are simply smaller.
So how can / should user interface developers deal with that problem? Is it possible to get the physical size of the screen? Is it possible to set physical sizes instead of pixel-based ones? Is that still a problem (it's been a while since I last read about it) or was that fixed meanwhile?
(While css seems to support cm, when I try here it, it is not the set size).
how can / should user interface developers deal with that problem?
Use a toolkit or framework that support resolution independence. WPF is built from the ground up to be resolution-independent, but even old framework like Windows Forms can learn new tricks. OSX/iOS and Windows (or browser if we're talking about web) itself may try to take care the problem by automatic scaling, but if there's bitmap graphic involved, developers might need to provide different bitmaps such in Android (which face most varying resolution and densities compared to other OS)
Is it possible to get the physical size of the screen?
No, and developers shouldn't care about it. Developers should only care about the class of the device (say, different UI for tablet and smartphone), and perhaps the DPI to decide which bitmap resource to use. Vector resource and font should be scaled by the framework.
Is that still a problem (it's been a while since I last read about it) or was that fixed meanwhile?
Depend on when you last read about it. Windows support is still spotty, even for the internal apps itself, and while anyone developing in WPF or UWP have it easy, don't expect major third party apps to join soon. OSX display scaling seems to work a bit better, while modern mobile OS are either running on limited range of resolution (iOS and Windows Phone) or handle every resolution imaginable quite nicely (Android)
There are a few ways to deal with different screen sizes, for example when I make mobile apps in java, I either use DIP(Density Independent Pixels; They stay at a fixed size) or make objects occupy a percentage of the screen with simple math. As for web development, you can use VW and VH (Viewport Width and Viewport Height), by adding these to the end of a value instead of px, the objects take up a percentage of the viewport. For example 100vh takes 100% of the viewport height. Then what I think is the best way to do it, but time consuming, is to use a library like Bootstrap that automatically resizes elements, even when the window is resized. W3Schools has a good tutorial on bootstrap and more detailed explainations on any of these options can be looked up with an easy google search.
The design of the GUI in today display diversity era is real challenge. I would suggest several hints, mainly about the GUI applications design:
Never set or expect constant pixel size of the text - the user can change it from the system settings of the OS. Use some real-world measures for the text and check its pixel size when drawing. Provide some way to put the random size text in the boundaries of the window.
Never set or expect constant pixel size of the GUI widgets. Try to position them on the window in some adaptive way - according to the size of the window. Most GUI widget toolkits today have such instruments.
Never set or expect constant pixel size dialog windows. Let the OS to choose the size for you and then use what you get (X). Or, if you need to set some size and position (Windows), define it as a percent of the screen size.
If possible use scalable image formats for the icons. SVG is great for icons actually. Using sets of bitmap icons with different sizes is acceptable, but highly non-optimal as memory use and still will not provide perfect scaling in most cases.
I am trying to get the width and height of all the windows. I did this easily with GetWindowRect however the styling in Win8.1+ seems such that there is a border on some windows and thats not being included. When I move/drag the window, this area moves with the window, so I expected it would be apart of its geometry. Is this known? Is there away to include the border width?
New Example
I created a second screenshot to explain after I see some confusion in the comments.
I have two windows side by side as seen in this image here:
Now if I take the GetWindowRect of the left and right windows, it should be a continuous rectangle around both of thse windows. However in the below we see this is not the case. I put a black fade over the whole desktop and cut out just the parts of the GetWindowRect for each window, we see the left window GetWindowRect is a bit smaller, this is my problem.
Old Example
For example this is a screenshot, using the cleared/non-black curtain area is what GetWindowRect identified as the width height, x and y:
We see there is some area of the window not included, I think this is the border? I used photoshop here to put a blue border around what all should have been:
And just for clarity I put an inner red border to show that the area between the red and blue borders was what should have been included, but was not:
Does anyone know how to include this "border" in the GetWindowRect?
Yes, GetWindowRect() lies to you. As you found out. It is a necessary lie. Goes back to Vista, the first Windows version that gave resizable windows their fat border. A pretty necessary feature, high screen resolutions were getting pretty common and the traditional 2-pixel border was getting too hard to hit with a mouse.
That created a massive compatibility problem however, many programs that create a window use CreateWindowEx(), you specify the outer window size. And don't use AdjustWindowRectEx(), the function that you must use to calculate the window size you need. Necessary because almost every window actually cares about the client size of the window. The part you fill with content. If they would have done nothing then legacy programs would end up creating windows with a client area that is too small, no longer fitting the content or aligning it out of whack. Very, very ugly.
So GetWindowRect() lies and pretends that the window has the traditional 2-pixel border. Pretty consistent lie, if you ask for the border size with GetSystemMetrics() then you get 2 back, even though it is 5. All works pretty well, until you start caring about positioning windows next to each other. Impossible to lie about that.
Turning off the lies requires letting Windows know that you are aware of the consequences of the fat borders. And know how to deal with Aero being turned off, possible on Vista and Win7. You must select the sub-system version number in the EXE file header and pick at least 6.00. The vast majority of programs use the legacy value, 4.00. Exactly how that's done depends on your tooling, for the Microsoft linker it is the /SUBSYSTEM option. It can be changed after the program was built with Editbin.exe, /SUBSYSTEM option. The program will no longer run on XP and earlier.
Windows 10 took an interesting new approach to this problem. The skinny borders are back. But now with a much bigger drop-shadow, the mouse is active beyond the border, even for windows that don't have a shadow. Works pretty well, hopefully we can all forget about this appcompat detail soon :)
Developing using Matlab 2014b's GUIDE, some of my GUIs have elements with units specified as "characters". Depending on the screen magnification level in Windows 7 (Control Panel>Appearance>Display) the GUI will look very different, with elements scattered. Shouldn't using characters as the unit type make adapting to the screen magnification a piece of cake, since the system character size would change I believe?
I'd rather not need to hard-code the units as pixels or etc, so that the GUI is happy being used on Windows/Linux/Mac. Anyone have any experiences/ suggestions with this?
I have found it is easiest to use pixels. You can then get the current window size and set things as percentages (from variables) of the real pixel dimensions. This is nice when you want to make sure there is a minimum or maximum panel or item size that can be resized or scaled within a range.
If you put this code in the resizeFcn() it should be good.
experts.
How I can query the mouse DPI (pointer resolution) on Windows?
I read the article Pointer Ballistics for Windows XP. It says "the typical pointer resolution is 400 mickey/inch". But how I can query the exact value used by various kinds of mice?
It would be great if you could also point me to documents related to this topic.
Thanks!
It's impossible to tell. The mouse DPI is simply the number of times the mouse reports a change in location when it's moved by one inch. On the other side of the mouse cord all you know is that you periodically get a change in location, and you simply move the pointer on the screen every time.
One thing you can do if this is critically important for some special application is to have the user move his/her mouse exactly one inch and count the changes in location. If you're doing this in some professional environment then it's probably worth your while to issue special equipment- give your users the same model of high-end mouse with a particular known DPI. I say high-end because for most mice the approximate DPI number will be ludicrously inaccurate.