I got a doubt about the width of internal data bus of AVR controllers connected to flash memory. I was mainly referring to Atmega328. Datasheet says (Page 17) "Since all AVR instructions are 16 or 32 bits wide, the Flash is organized as
2/4/8/16K x 16.". That means flash memory data bus width must be 16 bit? I could not see anywhere mentioning about 16 bit wide program memory data bus (Of course internal to the controller). But bus for RAM seems to be again 8 bit. Just want a clarification.
BitThe 8-bit AVR family is based on a (modified) Harvard architecture, where you have dedicated program and data storages. The data path to program memory is indeed 16-bit, while it is 8-bit only to data memory.
The funny part is, that in the beginning Atmel points out, that these are 8-bit CPUs. This makes them look very competitive when compared to other 8-bit products like 8051 or Rabbit. Due to the 16-bit program data path the AVRs perform very well in benchmark tests. Later, when 8-bit sounds a bit old-fashioned, Atmel decided to call them 8/16-bit CPUs.
Figure 7.1 on page 9 of the data sheet/complete shows that the flash isn't at all connected to the (8 bit) data bus but only to an address bus. The "data" of the flash memory primarily goes into the instruction register and by use of the LPM instruction this data is transferred into a register. Note that when writing data to the flash you always write 16 bit (R1:R0) addressed by the Z pointer (SPM instruction) ... and that the SPM instruction cannot be expressed in "clock cycles" (pg. 617)
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I was wondering how exactly does a CPU request data in a computer. In a 32 Bits architecture, I thought that a computer would put a destination on the address bus and would receive 4 Bytes on the data bus. I recently read on the memory alignment in computer and it confused me. I read that the CPU has to read two times the memory to access a not multiple 4 address. Why is so? The address bus lets it access not multiple 4 address.
The address bus itself, even in a 32-bit architecture, is usually not 32 bits in size. E.g. the Pentium's address bus was 29 bits. Given that it has a full 32-bit range, in the Pentium's case that means each slot in memory is eight bytes wide. So reading a value that straddles two of those slots means two reads rather than one, and alignment prevents that from happening.
Other processors (including other implementations of the 32-bit Intel architecture) have different memory access word sizes but the point is generic.
Warning: I'm not sure where this type of question belongs. If you know a better place for it, drop a link.
Background: Imagine you heard a sentence like this: "this computer/processor has X-bit architecture". Now, if that computer is standard, you get a lot of information, like maximum RAM capacity, maximum unsigned/signed integer value and so on... But what if computer is not standard?
The mystery: back to 70's and 80's, the period referred as "8-bit era". Wait, 8-bit? Yes. So, if a CPU architecture is 8-bit, then:
The maximum RAM capacity of computer is exactly 256 bytes.
The maximum UInt range is from 0 to 256 and the maximum signed integer range is -128 to 127.
The maximum ROM capacity is also 256 bytes, because you have to be able to jump around?
However, it's clearly not like that. Look at some technical characteristics of game consoles of that time and you will see that those exceed the 256 limit.
Quotes (http://www.8bitcomputers.co.uk/whatbasics.html):
The Sharp PC1211 is actually a 4-bit computer but cleverly glues two together to look like 8 (a computer able to add up to 16 would not be very useful!)
So if it's a 4-bit computer, why can manipulate 8-bit integers? And another one...
The Sinclair QL is one of those computers that actually leaves the experts arguing. In parts, it is a 16 bit computer, in some ways it is even like a 32 bit computer but it holds its memory in 8 bits.
What? So why is this mess in www.8bitcomputers.co.uk?
Generally: how is an X-bit computer defined?
The biggest data bus that it has is X bits long (then Sinclair QL is a 32-bit computer)?
The CU functions of that computer are X bits long?
It holds its memory (in registers, ROM, RAM, whatever) in 8 bits?
Other definitions?
Purpose: I think that what I am designing is a 4-bit CPU. I don't really know if it has a 4-bit architecture, because it uses double ROM address, and includes functions like "activate ALU" that take another 4 bits from register Y. I want to know if I can still call it a 4-bit CPU. That's it!
Thank you very much in advance :)
An X-bit computer (or CPU) is defined whether the central unites and registers, such as CPU and ALU, are in X-bit. The addressing doesn't matter in defining the number X. As you have mentioned, an 8-bit computer (e.g. Motorola 68HC11 even tough it is a MCU, still it can be counted as a computer with CPU, I/O and Memory) can have 16-bit addressing in order to increase the RAM or memory size.
The data-bus size and the register sizes of CPU and ALU is the limiting factor in defining the X number in an X-bit computer architecture. You can get more information from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_(computer_architecture)
An answer to your question will be "Yes, you are designing a 4-bit CPU if the registers and data bus size are in 4-bit.
I'm a bit confused about bit architectures. I just cant find a good article that answers my questions, so I figured I'd ask SO.
Question 1:
When speaking of a 16 bit architecture, does it mean each ram address is 16 bits long? So if I create an int (32 bit) in C++ the variable would take up 2 addresses?
Question 2:
in a 16 bit architecture there are only 2^16 (65536) amount of addresses inside the RAM. Why can't they add more? Is this because 16 bit can't represent a higher value and therefore can't reference to adresses above 65535?
When speaking of a 16 bit architecture, does it mean each ram address is 16 bits long? So if I create an int (32 bit) in C++ the variable would take up 2 addresses?
You'd have to ask whoever was speaking of a 16-bit architecture what they meant by it. They could mean addresses are 16-bits long. They could mean general-purpose CPU registers are 16-bits long. They could mean something else. But there's no way we could know what some hypothetical person might mean. There is no universal definition of what makes something a "16-bit architecture".
For example, the 8032 is an 8-bit architecture with 8-bit general purpose registers. But it has a 16-bit pointer register that can be used to address 65,536 bytes of storage.
Regardless of bitness, almost all systems use byte addresses. So a 32-bit variable will take up 4 addresses on a machine of any bitness.
in a 16 bit architecture there are only 2^16 (65536) amount of addresses inside the RAM. Why can't they add more? Is this because 16 bit can't represent a higher value and therefore can't reference to adresses above 65535?
With 16-bits, there are only 65,536 possible ways those bits can be set. So a 16-bit register has 65,536 possible values.
Yes. Note, though that int on 16-bit architectures is usually just 16 bits wide.
Also note that it doesn't make sense to say that a variable "takes up" two addresses. The correct thing to say is that a 32-bit variable is as wide as two pointers on a 16-bit platform.
It will still occupy four bytes of space, no matter what architecture.
Yes; that's exactly what 16-bit addresses mean.
Note that each of these addresses points to a single byte of memory.
Depends on your definitions of 8-bit and 16-bit architecture.
The 6502 was considered an 8-bit CPU, because it operated on 8-bit values (the register size), yet had 16-bit addresses.
The 68000 was considered a 16-bit CPU, yet had 32-bit registers and addresses.
With x86, it is generally the address size that defines the architecture.
Also, '64-bit' CPUs don't always have a full 64-bit external address bus. They might internally handle addresses of that size, so the virtual address space can be large, but it doesn't mean they can have that much external memory.
Example From Wikipedia - All internal registers, as well as internal and external data buses, were 16 bits wide, firmly establishing the "16-bit microprocessor" identity of the 8086. A 20-bit external address bus gave a 1 MB physical address space (2^20 = 1,048,576). This address space was addressed by means of internal 'segmentation'. The data bus was multiplexed with the address bus in order to fit a standard 40-pin dual in-line package. 16-bit I/O addresses meant 64 KB of separate I/O space (2^16 = 65,536). The maximum linear address space was limited to 64 KB, simply because internal registers were only 16 bits wide. Programming over 64 KB boundaries involved adjusting segment registers (see below) and remained so until the 80386 introduced wider (32 bits) registers (and more advanced memory management hardware).
So you can see that there are no fixed rules that a 16 bit architecture will have 16 address lines only. Don't mix up two things, though it's intuitive to believe so.
I heard that the 8086 has 16-bit registers which allow it to only address 64K of memory. Yet it is still able to address 1MB of memory which would require 20-bit registers. It does this by using another register to to hold another 16 bits, and then adds the value in the 16-bit registers to the value in this other register to be able to generate numbers which can address up to 1MB of memory. Is that right?
Why is it done this way? It seems that there are 32-bit registers, which is more than sufficient to address 1MB of memory.
Actually this has nothing to do with number of registers. Its the size of the register which matters. A 16 bit register can hold up to 2^16 values so it can address 64K bytes of memory.
To address 1M, you need 20 bits (2^20 = 1M), so you need to use another register for the the additional 4 bits.
The segment registers in an 8086 are also sixteen bits wide. However, the segment number is shifted left by four bits before being added to the base address. This gives you the 20 bits.
the 8088 (and by extension, 8086) is instruction compatible with its ancestor, the 8008, including the way it uses its registers and handles memory addressing. the 8008 was a purely 16 bit architecture, which really couldn't address more than 64K of ram. At the time the 8008 was created, that was adequate for most of its intended uses, but by the time the 8088 was being designed, it was clear that more was needed.
Instead of making a new way for addressing more ram, intel chose to keep the 8088 as similar as possible to the 8008, and that included using 16 bit addressing. To allow newer programs to take advantage of more ram, intel devised a scheme using some additional registers that were not present on the 8008 that would be combined with the normal registers. these "segment" registers would not affect programs that were targeted at the 8008; they just wouldn't use those extra registers, and would only 'see' 16 addres bits, the 64k of ram. Applications targeting the newer 8088 could instead 'see' 20 address bits, which gave them access to 1MB of ram
I heard that the 8086 has 16 registers which allow it to only address 64K of memory. Yet it is still able to address 1MB of memory which would require 20 registers.
You're misunderstanding the number of registers and the registers' width. 8086 has eight 16-bit "general purpose" registers (that can be used for addressing) along with four segment registers. 16-bit addressing means that it can only support 216 B = 64 KB of memory. By getting 4 more bits from the segment registers we'll have 20 bits that can be used to address a total of 24*64KB = 1MB of memory
Why is it done this way? It seems that there are 32 registers, which is more than sufficient to address 1MB of memory.
As said, the 8086 doesn't have 32 registers. Even x86-64 nowadays don't have 32 general purpose registers. And the number of registers isn't relevant to how much memory a machine can address. Only the address bus width determines the amount of addressable memory
At the time of 8086, memory is extremely expensive and 640 KB is an enormous amount that people didn't think that would be reached in the near future. Even with a lot of money one may not be able to get that large amount of RAM. So there's no need to use the full 32-bit address
Besides, it's not easy to produce a 32-bit CPU with the contemporary technology. Even 64-bit CPUs today aren't designed to use all 64-bit address lines
Why can't OS use entire 64-bits for addressing? Why only the 48-bits?
Why do x86-64 systems have only a 48 bit virtual address space?
It'll takes more wires, registers, silicons... and much more human effort to design, debug... a CPU with wider address space. With the limited transistor size of the technology in the 70s-80s that may not even come into reality.
8086 doesn't have any 32-bit integer registers; that came years later in 386 which had a much higher transistor budget.
8086's segmentation design made sense for a 16-bit-only CPU that wanted to be able to use 20-bit linear addresses.
Segment registers could have been only 8-bit or something with a larger shift, but apparently there are some advantages to fine-grained segmentation where a segment start address can be any 16-byte aligned linear address. (A linear address is computed from (seg << 4) + off.)
Is it determined by size of the address buss; if yes then was 8086 a 20-bit processor? If no what is criteria for assigning a bit number like 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit to processor?
It's not well defined. Broadly, as xtofl points out, it's the size of the atomic unit of computation (in early computers, this wasn't always synonymous with "register"). So the PDP-10 was a 36 bit machine, a 8080 was 8 bit, and a IBM 360 or Intel 80386 is "32 bits".
But there are exceptions. The Motorola 68000 and 68010 CPUs implemented a 32 bit register set, but did it via microcode on top of a mostly 16 bit internal architecture. They were usually marketed as "16 bit" CPUs at the time.
The size of the address bus is almost never the defining factor. All successful "8 bit" CPUs implemented 16 bit addressing, for example (often via odd hacks to make up for the lack of a single address register, c.f. 6502's indirect addressing modes or the Z80's H/L registers). And the 8086, as you mention, used its segment register addressing to get 20 address lines to work (the 80286 extended this trick to 24 bits of physical address). And in the other direction, many "32 bit" CPUs had smaller address buses to save logic that wouldn't be used on a machine that would never have more than a few megabytes of memory: the 68000 limited addressing to 24 bits, even though the pointers themselves were 32. Likewise modern 64 bit CPUs universally implement less than 64 bits of physical address.
As far as i know the bit width of the processor is determined by how many bits the internal data processing circuits accept at once. Like if the adders, multipliers etc in the ALU accept 16 bit operands then the CPU is 16 bit, and if it accepts 32 bits then it is 32 bit. It does not matter what is the width of the data bus or the address bus. In general the bit length of the Accumulator would determine the bit length of the processor.
I guess normally you label it by the size of it's accumulators/registers.
With respect to a CPU, I'd say that it's the width of a register. You can do an operation on only 8 bits, 16-bits, 32-bits, etc. at a time.
The bit size (8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit) of a microprocecessor is determined by the hardware, specifically the width of the data bus. The Intel 8086 is a 16-bit processor because it can move 16 bits at a time over the data bus. The Intel 8088 is an 8-bit processor even though it has an identical instruction set. This is similar to the Motorola 68000 and 68008 processors. The bit size is not determined by the programmer's view (the register width and the address range).
I think the first number of Integrated chip refers to the type of the processor.
If it is IC 8085 means it is a 8 bit processor.
any processor can be designated by its' two attributes
instruction set architecture &
no. of bits it can handle in single clock cycle.
take for example Intel's IA-32 architecture, also called x86-32 , here x86 indicates the architecture and 32 indicates 32-bit processor
X-Architecture
there are a number of architectures
Pre-x86 x86
-Intel's IA-32 architecture, also called x86-32 -x86-64
- -with AMD's AMD64 and Intel's Intel 64 version of it
- Motorola's 6800 and 68000 a
rchitectures ARM7
Y-bit processor
: simply- its the data handling capability of cpu/processor in a single clock cycle.
suppose it is an 8 bit processor then in a single clock cycle, the ALU can perform operation on 8 bit data only.(note that this operation may be an internal operation like add/sub as well as transferring data to other IO device)
classification Based on Registers-
Processor in addition to ALU and CU contains some memory locations as well, called as registers. depending on the processor, a register may typically store 8, 16, 32 or 64 bits. The register size of a particular processor allows us to classify the processor. Processors with a register size of n-bits are called n-bit processors, so that processors with 8-bit registers are called 8-bit processors.
classification Based on databus width-
since the alu can handle only 8 bit data in a single clock cycle it won't make sense to have data bus width more than that & 8 bit processor will have 8 bit wide databus, hence databus width can also be an alternate way to find out the bit processing capability of processor.for a processor with n bit databus means that the CPU can transfer n-bits to another device in a single operation.
for the question:
"suppose we have a 32 bit ALU i.e. it can take 32 bits at a time and
our data bus size is 16 bit i.e. it can hold 16 bit of data at a time
thn wht will be the ans. In this case...?"
the example of such processor would be intel 8088 & Moto 68000
Using bus width classification, the Intel 8088 microprocessor is an 8-bit processor since it uses an 8-bit data bus, although its CPU registers are in fact 16-bit registers.
Similarly the Motorola 68000 is classified as a 16-bit processor, even though its CPU registers are 32-bit registers.
Sometimes a combination of the two classifications is used where the 8088 might be described as 8/16-bit processor and the Motorola 68000 as a 16/32-bit processor.
The word size(8-bits, 16-bits or 32-bits) of a microprocessor is the size of the data path in the execution unit. Typically, this is the size of the accumulator.
This is the execution unit size. An example where this matters is the 8088, which is a 16 bit computer running on an 8 bit bus. The 8085 is 8-bits. The 8086/8088 is 16-bits. The 80386 is 32-bits. Mordern Intel Processors are 64-bits.