I have an installation of visual studio 2015 (french version). The installation itself take a lot of disk space. I have only C++ compiler installed without .net, C#, web and mobile developer toolkit.
Does anybody know what is the actual reason for too much disk space requirement compared to other C/C++ compiler toolkits (GCC, Clang).
another point:
Installing a language pack for english demands 4GB of disk space. Why it requires that much space where I am installing only a different language. I mean compiler executable remains same in this case. Just the internationalization parameters needs to be changed.
Is there any technical or commercial reasons to why Visual Studio do this.?
The installation itself take a lot of disk space. ... Does anybody know what is the actual reason for too much disk space requirement compared to other C/C++ compiler toolkits (GCC, Clang).
Because Visual Studio installs a heck of a lot more stuff than just a compiler toolkit like GCC or Clang. For example, it includes an IDE, an interactive debugger, a bunch of libraries, the source code for all of the included libraries, profiling and other tools, etc.
If you just want the compiler toolchain and not the IDE or anything else, download the standalone C++ build tools.
Or, for an earlier version of the build tools, just download the Windows SDK. (The build tools are no longer included starting with the Windows 8.1 SDK. Therefore, you'll need to get an older version, like the Windows 7 SDK.)
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We are currently using CUDA on windows which requires MS C++ Build tools installed. With every new version of the CUDA toolkit it happens that newer versions of Visual Studio are not supported. That's why we are using the MS build tools seperately so that the VS version doesn't matter.
Since its hard to guide our developers to install the right CUDA and MSVC version we have packaged it into NUGET packages so that the toolkit (especially NVCC) is in a defined version and location. Additionally we wanted to do this with MSVC but we couldn't find a good solution since the installer obviously does modifications on several places that we don't know.
Is there any good way to get the MSVC tools portable so that we can simply drop it into a folder and put the right pathes?
NVCC doesn't support GCC, otherwise I would have gone with this.
Some libraries are available to download as pre-compiled binaries, usually in specific architecture (x32 or x64) but I have also noticed that some pre-compiled binaries are splitted based on visual studio version, for example: vc17_x64. Let's assume that I use visual studio 2019. Does it mean that I have to use binaries precompiled for vc2019 or build a library from source when apropriate version is not available ? It's not clear for me because some pre-compilied binaries don't contain information about visual studio version.
If a pre-compiled library has Visual Studio version info you should use that version of Visual Studio to work with the library. This is not always the case though, as often enough happens that an older (with respect to VS version) library contains code that is a subset of the newer VS's header and runtime SDK files (.NET, C/C++, Windows SDK, etc). The other way around, when the library is newer can also work but it's far less frequent. You can try, if it doesn't work for your particular library and VS version then you should consider matching versions, rebuilding not always works for the same reasons of code changes.
If a library doesn't contain VS version info then it's reasonable to assume that it's portable/compatible up to operating system (Windows, Linux, etc) and programming language version (C++ 11, C++ 14, C# 7, C# 8, etc). However, VS version comes into play here as well, not every VS runs in every Windows, neither it supports the same runtimes, SDKs, and language(s) version. You should always check the library documentation for recommended working environment, if this info doesn't exist then it's trial and error and/or community consulting.
I am trying to compile qt, and am faced with two choices whether use MinGw or Visual Studio compiler? What is the difference between them, and are there any advantages/disadvantages of using one or the other?
They are both fine tools. The important thing to know is that they don't necessarily play well together. That is, as you link libraries together, they must all use the same tool chain. For this reason, in my opinion, it is better to use the Visual Studio compiler (MSVC), as it is the "first class citizen" on Windows; the others are treated somewhat as second class.
What I mean is that you can pretty much count on third party libraries being available in binary form using MSVC, or at least build instructions being available using MSVC. We had lots of problems with third-party libraries not being able to build in MinGW or having nonexistent build instructions and having to do a lot of manual Makefile editing, etc. You are much more likely to have things "just work" if using MSVC.
That is just our experience (we started with MinGW); your mileage may vary.
MinGW uses GCC, and GCC has one significant advantage to MSVC - it is portable. MSVC is limited to Microsoft platforms, GCC supports pretty much everything, including 8bit embedded CPUs. Meaning that you can use the same directives and compile extensions across different platforms.
Also, MinGW is compact, quick to install, and a version is even bundled with Qt. Unlike MSVC, which is not even available standalone, you have to install visual studio, which itself installs a bunch of garbage you don't need but can't opt out of.
UPDATE
It is now possible to get the MS compiler without VS, a.k.a MS Build Tools. Also, If you want to build chromium (a.k.a the QtWebEngine) for windows you have to use MSVC, that's a limitation imposed by google, as they only support building with the platform-native compiler.
Last but not least, you can get MSYS2, which has a repository with MinGW and a ton of ready to use static and dynamic libraries build for it, so you can avoid the arduous and often failure prone build process.
UPDATE
Just for the sake of reference, for VS build tools 2019, the C++ compiler alone takes up about 4.5 gigabytes of space, or about 8 if you just click "C++ build tools" and leave it at the default. For comparison, GCC 9.x is about 150 mb. In fact, the MSVC compiler alone is larger than the entire extensive collection of packages that I adopted for use throughout the years, plus their dependencies, for a total of over 200 packages. Additionally, I'd say MSYS had packages for about 98% of the libraries and tools I've found myself in need of, and those remaining 2% include libraries it had but were not configured in a way, suitable for my use case. And it goes without saying, the packet manager makes it trivial to keep versions up to date.
Considering to develop a desktop application with Qt for Windows. It will be a free download application, but for a commecial SERVICE. (need an account with our commercial service to work).
I think we could use the Qt for Windows from Nokia (LGLP version) because its free app. But the lastest one version of Qt needs a C++ complier from Microsoft.
Which one?
Do I need to pay for an C++ compiler from Microsoft, or do they have a free version to use with Qt?
Reading info docs, googling and we still cann't understand what tools do I need.
If you want to use the Visual Studio compilers, you can download the free Windows SDK. The following link takes you to the SDK for Visual Studio 2008:
Microsoft Windows SDK for Windows 7 and .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
This includes all the C++ compilers and tools you need. (There is a more recent version available, but Visual Studio 2010 is not yet a "level 1 supported" platform for Qt.) We are using this on standalone build machines and it works fine.
Just a personal opinion, but we have found that using anything other than MSVC on Windows (for example, MinGW) causes a lot of problems. It is not that the other toolchains are bad, it is just that they are all treated as second-class citizens. We had lots of problems with third-party libraries not being able to build in MinGW or having nonexistent build instructions and having to do a lot of manual Makefile editing, etc. You are much more likely to have things "just work" if using MSVC.
For the most part (static linking), you cannot mix and match. You need to pick one toolchain and stick with it. If I were starting from scratch, I'd definitely go with MSVC.
Just our experience (we started with MinGW); your mileage may vary.
No, you do not need to pay for anything.
The Microsoft toolchain is available for free as part of the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit.
Additionally, the following article may also be of interest to you:
Developing Windows Applications in C++: The tools you need
The alternative supported by Qt is MinGW. The runtime libraries are free from copyright, so you can do whatever you want with them.
It is basically the Windows counterpart of the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) under Unix.
I would like to use C/C++ for coding my apps, but I need my apps running on all versions of Windows from XP to Win8, independently by any platforms, run time libraries and so on.
Briefly: What kind/type of C/C++ I suppose to use, be able to run my apps on every type of Windows without any additional installation, just default one. e.g Windows XP SP1
C++ can run on just about any OS, as long as you avoid (or, via conditional compilation, provide alternatives for) anything specific to one OS or version. Win32 code is almost all the same between versions; the main difference is added functionality in newer versions. Between Windows and, say Linux, though? Not so much. You kinda need to pick a platform, unless you want to either stick to text mode (which is pretty close between OSes, thanks to standards) or learn some whole other platform-neutral API like OpenGL, wxWidgets, GTK, etc.
As for which compiler to use, if you're sticking with Windows, I'd recommend Visual Studio. Microsoft has a free (Express) edition that will let you compile Win32 code or .net. (You'll need the paid version, or some playing around with the Platform SDK, to play with 64-bit though.) And the IDE isn't too bad either. If you just want a compiler, the Platform SDK has the same compilers VS has, and includes 64-bit support (and even a bunch of code samples and tools) as well.
As for being independent of any runtime libs: Every C++ compiler that's worth using has a runtime library. If you link statically against it, though, the parts you need will be embedded in your EXE. Alternatively, you have permission to distribute the runtime libs with your app (though you may need to install it via a package they provide, that you bundle together with your app...i forget how all that works).
All popular C++ compilers support XP up. You can statically link the runtime, or, for mingw, you can link against the runtime supplied with Windows.