I'm using rhea in a nodejs application to send messages around over Azure Service Bus using AMQP. My problem is as follows:
Sometimes a message processing attempt can fail because of something that is out of our hands. For instance, a call to some API could fail because a service is down. At that point we unlock the message so it can be picked up at a later time or by another instance. After a certain amount of retries (when delivery-count has hit a certain max) it just ends up in DLQ.
What I want to achieve is that between each delivery attempt there is an increasing pause so the X amount of retries don't just occur in rapid succession until the max is hit. This way I can give whatever is causing the failure some time to come back up if it's just a matter of waiting for some service to become available again. If that doesn't work the message can go to DLQ anyway.
Is there some setting in azure service bus that will achieve this or will I have to program this into my own application?
if you explicitly want to delay processing you can en-queue a new message with ScheduledEnqueueTime set of later delivery (using the message.Clone() function can help in creating the cloned message). You also have the ability to call message.Defer() and will not deliver this message again until you call Receive(Sequenceid) for that specific message at a later time .
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I have a spring service subcribing for messages from a topic in the google cloud pubsub (pulling). It is working correctly in general. But I want to have more control over resent messages. My service need sometimes to nack the message or just let the ackDeadline pass so that I would get the message later on again. While testing with single messages, the nacked message comes back to me almost immidetaly, and the ones I don't ack or nack at all, come back after 10 sec default for ackDeadline. I would like it to postpone the repeated consuming of these messages. I thought the retry setting are designed for such cases.
I should mention as well that I am currently testing locally with an emulator and create the subscription from code. I am using the PubSubAdmin for managing.
According to this docu I have tried to set those configuration in my profile config. like this:
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.initial-retry-delay-second: 4
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.max-attempts: 5
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.initial-rpc-timeout-seconds: 4
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.max-rpc-timeout-seconds: 8
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.max-retry-delay-seconds: 7
spring.cloud.gcp.pubsub.subscriber.retry.total-timeout-seconds: 3000
but it had no effect on the time of reoccuring of the messages.
Do I understand the meaning of retry settings wrongly? maybe they only take effect if there are some connection problems but not in nacking or lacking of acknowledgment cases? Or do I have to set the setting while using deploymentManager for creating the subscriptions and am not allowed to set them from the code? Or maybe setting them in (development) profile configs won't work with the PubSubAdmin?
Thanks for any suggestions!
edit: I want the first retry to happen after 5 seconds, but next retry 10 seconds later, etc. Plus I want to set the max retry number. So what I am not interested in is setting the ackDeadline just to a bigger number.
edit2: why nacking: one of the services (let's call it a bridge) is subscribing for the messages, has to validate each message and if ok pass it to another external system. this service is acting as a bridge for this system, as we can't work on this second system directly. in some cases the message need some extra information, so the bridge will try to fetch it somewhere else (there are a lot of microservices included) and it happens sometimes, that at this moment in time the extra information is not there (yet). So the first idea was to not ack the message and let it come later again. but I don't want to ask every 10 sec for the next 7 days (with ackDeadline), I want to just try few times, and if it is not there after 2 hours, it will never came. so we tried to nack and hoped those retry settings can help to manage the resending. But as they don't, I suppose the only way to go will be to build something for managing these messages in the bridge by myself. Maybe store message ids and the number of retry so that I can ack after for example 5 times and push the message to another topic to deal with it differently. Or are there any better solutions known?
Cloud Pub/Sub does not provide exponential backoff for specific messages. A nack has no effect other than to tell Cloud Pub/Sub that you were not able to handle the message.
I could provide a more useful answer if you were to document why you needed to nack the messages. If you are unable to handle the current load, you can use the flow control options described here to reduce the number of outstanding messages or bytes to your client. If you have messages that are known to be bad, you should instead ack them after pushing to another dead letter topic to be handled separately.
Response to edit 2:
If you have this scenario where the action to supplement the messages can fail, implement whatever backoff mechanism you want on that action yourself in your service. Set the max ack extension period when constructing your subscriber (setMaxAckExtensionPeriod in java) to ensure that your client will extend the ack deadline for each message long enough for your chain of retries.
Edit 2
Note that Pub/Sub now has built in support for Dead Lettering.
You can use PubSubSubscriberTemplate.modifyAckDeadline() to programmatically extend the deadlines of a batch of messages retrieved through pull. Each individual AcknowledgeablePubsubMessage also has a modifyAckDeadline() method, if you only need to extend deadline for a select few stragglers.
If all messages on that particular subscription need to have a longer acknowledgement period, a default can be set in GCP Console by editing the subscription and updating the "Acknowledgement Deadline" field.
Little bit of backgroud: I need to improve the performance of one of our batch framework. There, batch inputs are sent to a JMS queue. Further, at the queue endpoint, we have a MDB, which is consuming the messages. Now, what i suspect here that if there are large number of messages, there is no MDB instance available to consume the messages as all of them are held up in processing the previous messages. To improve this, i am thinking of implementing a threadpool in the MDB business logic so that once the MDB has received the message and deliver it to the thread, it gets free for consuming another message.
Now before implementing this, i want to monitor my JMS queues to check if the messages are really waiting in the queues or not. So i need to know if this monitoring can be done via some WAS admin console or some JMX application. My main purpose is to check the waiting time of each jms message in the queue.
First, you can set the number of processes (MDB instances) that will consumes the Q in parallel. The default is 10 (Per member of the cluster..).
With the console: Resources -> JMS -> activation specifications, Set "Maximum concurrent MDB invocations per endpoint" which is defined as `"The maximum number of endpoints to which messages are delivered concurrently."``
As for monitoring the Q and generating some load, you can have a look at JMSToolBox on sourceforge
In the "Destination information" dialog in JMSToolBox, you will also be able to see the number of concurrent consumers on the Q
Also if you want to measure the time spend by a message in the Q, just compute the difference between the current time and the JMSTimestamp JMS standard property from the message it is process by the MDB in the onMessage() method
I has some strange behaviour on production deployment for azure queue messages:
Some of the messages in queues appears with big delay - minutes, and sometimes 10 minutes.
Befere you ask about setting delayTimeout when we put message to queue - we do not set delayTimeout for that message, so message should appear almost immedeatly after it was placed in queue.
At that moments we do not have a big load. So my instances has no work load, and able to process message fast, but they just don't appear.
Our service process millions of messages per month, we able to identify that 10-50 messages processed with very big delay, by that we fail SLA in front of our customers.
Does anyone have any idea what can be reason?
How to overcome?
Did anyone faced similar issues?
Some general ideas for troubleshooting:
Are you certain that the message was queued up for processing - ie the queue.addmessage operation returned successfully and then you are waiting 10 minutes - meaning you can rule out any client side retry policies etc as being the cause of the problem.
Is there any chance that the time calculation could be subject to some kind of clock skew problems. eg - if one of the worker roles pulling messages has its close out of sync with the other worker roles you could see this.
Is it possible that in the situations where the message is appearing to be delayed that a worker role responsible for pulling the messages is actually failing or crashing. If the client calls GetMessage but does not respond with an appropriate acknowledgement within the time specified by the invisibilityTimeout setting then the message will become visible again as the Queue Service assumes the client did not process the message. You could tell if this was a contributing factor by looking at the dequeue count on these messages that are taking longer. More information can be found here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd179474.aspx.
Is it possible that the number of workers you have pulling items from the queue is insufficient at certain times of the day and the delays are simply caused by the queue being populated faster than you can pull messages from the queue.
Have you enabled logging for queues and then looked to see if you can find the specific operations (look at e2elatency and serverlatency).
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsazurestorage/archive/tags/analytics+2d00+logging+_2600_amp_3b00_+metrics/. You should also enable client logging and try to determine if the client is having connectivity problems and the retry logic is possibly kicking in.
And finally if none of these appear to help can you please send me the server logs (and ideally the client side logs as well) along with your account information (no passwords) to JAHOGG at Microsoft dot com.
Jason
Azure Service bus has a property in the BrokeredMessage class called ScheduledEnqueueTimeUtc, it allows you to set a time for when the message is added to the queue (effectively creating a delay).
Are you sure that in your code your not setting this property, and this might be the cause for the delay?
You can find more info on this at this url: https://www.amido.com/azure-service-bus-how-to-delay-a-message-being-sent-to-the-queue/
If you are using WebJobs to process messages from the queue, it can be due to WebJobs configuration.
From an MSDN forum post by pranav rastogi:
Starting with 0.4.0-beta, the (WebJobs) SDK implements a random exponential back-off algorithm. As a result of this if there are no messages on the queue, the SDK will back off and start polling less frequently.
The following setting allows you to configure this behavior.
MaxPollingInterval for when a queue remains empty, the longest period of time to wait before checking for a message to. Default is 10min.
static void Main()
{
JobHostConfiguration config = new JobHostConfiguration();
config.Queues.MaxPollingInterval = TimeSpan.FromMinutes(1);
JobHost host = new JobHost(config);
host.RunAndBlock();
}
I'm looking for a way to schedule a MDB. My requirement is that the MDB is set to feed a system from the company. This system goes out for maintenance every night, but the other systems don't know about it and may keep trying to feed it. A persistent queue is great in the way that my messages could be pilled until system goes back online.
How could I manage that? I've run into that already: schedule a message driven bean to access a queue during certain times? but it uses java 7, and worst, message is lost if the server restarts (messages is taken out of the JMS Queue and kept in memory until timer process it).
Another use of this would be to implement a "retry" queue. In case of error I want to retry processing my message, but not immediately, after a certain amount time only.
Any ideas to keep my MDB offline for a certain amount of time?
Most versions of JBoss publish a management MBean that allows you to stop delivery on a MDB.
If you're using EJB3, however, they auto-start, so you will need to register a startup class to stop starting MDBs at boot time if boots occur in your MDB's blackout period. Once past that snafu, you can schedule a simple quartz job to start and stop the MDBs according to your delivery windows.
Well, it looks like there is no way to pause a MDB in a generic way. The best solution is, like most people will answer, to use the DLQ (or DMQ).
Now, if I want to introduce a timer on a message, I set the time to live of the producer to the amount of time I want the message to wait. Then I send it to a normal queue, lets say waitingQueue which has no consumer. After expiration, the message is sent to default destination (mq.sys.dmq for Glassfish MQ, make sure to create a jms resource with mq.sys.dmq as imqDestinationName). I have a MDB listening to the error queue and responsible of sending the message again. Now, if I want to "close" a queue for some time, when a message arrives in the queue, I check if current time is allowed or not. Just set the time to live to the amount of time before next opening hours and send it to waitingQueue.
The reason I didn't use it since the beginning is that I fell into a few pitfalls. Here are a few useful properties to set when using DMQ with Glassfish 3.1.1 and its embedded MQ.
imq.message.expiration.interval=1 that's for the poll interval on each queue before sending timed out messages to the DMQ. Default is 60 seconds. If like me you want to test your application with little latency, this is what you need.
Please a bit of advice on the following:
I am using a ThreadPoolTaskExecutor to execute slow-external tasks like sending emails.
I need to improve this:
1) When the a task is passed to the exeuctor, it has to wait executing it till at least the transaction of the passing operation has finished.
Example: i makes no sense to email something when the order process fails and generates an exception which occurs on commitment
2) When the task fails, some retry mechanism is used to try the task again.
Example: when sending the email fails, it will be retried after 5,10 minutes and then throws an exception.
How to deal with these issues? of should I just integrate some queue that offers this functionality?..
Ed
I would say : yes use a queue in a messaging infrastructure.
Personally I would use Camel for this because I am completely smitten by Camel and would use it if I would reprogram my toaster to toast the slices golden brown at breakfast.
Since you are going to mail, it will be message based anyway, so using a message based system will already reduce the impedance mismatch.
Now things as transactions, retries and parking the message on a dead letter queue comes as standard with these things. This is nice, because you can then script your way out of trouble when a email server disaster hits, by resubmitting the messages from the dead letter queue.
Integrating an ActiveMQ or a Camel is just adding a couple of dependencies and 5-10 lines in your spring configuration.
Once it is in there it is beautiful to organize background processing, notify remote systems, automate email responses, notify sysadmins of impending doom, ... You send a message, continue what you're doing, respond to the customer, while in the background the wheels are turning.
Ok, sorry : I got carried away and got way too lyrical.