I'm currently in the process of learning different techniques malware use to prevent debugging, and I came across an issue I can't seem to really understand. This piece of malware that I am currently trying to figure out and debug uses some kind of anti-debugging technique that doesn't allow me to attach a debugger in the first place.
I have tried using things such as Scylla-hide, I've also tried manually going in and hooking common anti-debugging API calls to see what is going on, but no luck so far. I also tried with WinDbg hoping it would give me some error message I can go off of, and it gave me this:
WinDbg output when trying to debug program
So this got me thinking that it was doing something to prevent a thread being started and that is what is causing any debugger from being able to attach. I also tried injecting a DLL with the typical LoadLibrary CreateRemoteThreadEx technique and seems it doesn't allow me to create a thread that way either. I've looked at as much as possible on anti-debugging and can't seem to find an answer to this. Any nudge in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
I'm hoping to be able to circumvent this in user-mode, as I'm trying to understand what exactly it is doing to stop me from debugging rather than simply bypassing it. This is my first time asking a question so sorry if anything was hard to understand.
This is the defacto antidebug reference by Peter Ferrie, it's an amazing resource: https://anti-reversing.com/Downloads/Anti-Reversing/The_Ultimate_Anti-Reversing_Reference.pdf
It contains almost every known anti-debug method, you can use this reference and tick each method off your list until you find the ones that are implemented, the book should also help you easily mitigate each method as well.
Per our conversation in the comments, the answer to your question was that the process was hooking both DbgBreakPoint and DbgUiRemoteBreakig. Patching them enabled you to then attach a debugger.
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I have an application, which displays me some data. I need to attach to this app's process, find the data I need in memory (one single number, actually), and save it somewhere. This application doesn't seem to use standard windows controls, so things aren't going to be as simple as reading controls data using AutoIt or something similar.
Currently I'm a self-learner database guy and have quite shallow knowledge about windows apps debugging. Not even sure if I asked my question correctly enough.
So, can you give me some starter guidelines about, say, what should I read first, and general directions I should work on?
Thanks.
To read memory of other application you need to open the process with respect of OpenProcess with at least PROCESS_VM_READ access rights and then use ReadProcessMemory to read any memory address from the process. If you are an administrator or have debug privilege you will be able to open any process with maximal access rights, you need only to enable SeDebugPrivilege before (see for example http://support.microsoft.com/kb/131065).
If you don't know a much about the memory of the destination process you can just enumerate the memory blocks with respect of VirtualQueryEx (see How does one use VirtualAllocEx do make room for a code cave? as an example where I examine the program code. The program data you can examine in the same way).
The most practical problem which I see is that you ask your question in too general way. If you explain more what kind of the data you are looking for I could probably suggest you a better way. For example if you could see the data somewhere you could examine the corresponding windows and controls with respect of Spy++ (a part of Visual Studio Tools). The most important are the class of windows (or controls) and the messages which will be send at the moment when the most interesting window are displayed. You can also use Process Monitor to trace all file and registry access at the time when the windows with the interesting information will be displayed. At least at the beginning you should examine the memory of the process with ReadProcessMemory at the moment when the data which you are looking for are displayed on the window.
If you will have no success in your investigations I'd recommend you to insert in your question more information.
My primary advice is: try to find any other method of integration than this. Even if you succeed, you'll be hostage to any kinds of changes in the target process, and possibly in the Windows O/S. What you are describing is behaviour most virus scanners should flag and hinder: if not now, then in the future.
That said, you can take a look at DLL injection. However, it sounds as if you're going to have to debug the heck out of the target process at the disassembly level: otherwise, how are you going to know what memory address to read?
I used to know the windows debugging API but it's long lost memory. How about using ollydbg:
http://www.ollydbg.de/
And controlling that with both ollydbg script and autoit?
Sounds interesting... but very difficult. Since you say this is a 'one-off', what about something like this instead?
Take a screenshot of this application.
Run the screenshot through an OCR program
If you are able to read the text you are looking for in a predictable way, you're halfway there!
So now if you can read a OCR'd screenshot of your application, it is a simple matter of writing a program that does the following:
Scripts the steps to get the data on the screen
Creates a screenshot of the data in question
Runs it through an OCR program like Microsoft Office Document Imaging
Extracts the relevant text and does 'whatever' with it.
I have done something like this before with pretty good results, but I would say it is a fragile solution. If the application changes, it stops working. If the OCR can't read the text, it stops working. If the OCR reads the wrong text, it might do worse things than stop working...
As the other posters have said, reaching into memory and pulling out data is a pretty advanced topic... kudos to you if you can figure out a way to do that!
I know this may not be a popular answer, due to the nature of what this software is used for, but programs like CheatEngine and ArtMoney allow you to search through all the memory reserved by a process for a given value, then refine the results till you find the address of the value you're looking for.
I learned this initially while trying to learn how to better protect my games after coming across a trainer for one of them, but have found the technique occasionally useful when debugging.
Here is an example of the technique described above in use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv04gYx2jMw&t=265
I must intercept execution in very big application in many places.
What programs I can use to do this? What techniques exists for this problems?
Manually reverse engineering and adding hooks is maybe not optimal solution for this problem, because application is very big and some part of application can be updated in some time, i think with some tools or good practices for this problem i can do this faster, anyone know how to do?
Anybody help me?
seeing as the tools part has been covered, here is something for the techniques.
Depending what it is you need to hook and whether or not there is protection invloved, there are a few methods:
Relative call/jmp patching in the virtualized binary: this is the simplest, but also a lot of work if you can't automatically find all references to a function, this probably won't work in this cause due to your criteria.
IAT/EAT hooking: this is use for imports(IAT) and exports(EAT), great if your targeting a known importted/exported set of API functions. a good example of this can be found here or here
Hot-Patching: Windows XP SP2 introduced something called "hot-patching" (used for realtime system function updates), where all its (the WinAPI) functions start with a 'mov edi,edi', allowing a relative jump to be patched into the free space created above every hot-patchable function(one can do it too). this is generally used for programs that checksum there IAT's or have other funny forms of protection, more info can be found here and here
Code-Caving: capturing execution flow by placing redirections in arbitrary code space. see here, here or here
VFT/COM Redirection: basically overwriting entries in a objects virtual function table, useful for OOP/COM based applications. see this
There are a lot of 3rd party libraries, most famous would probably be MS Detours, one can also look at APIHijack or a mini-hook engine.
Ofcourse nothing can substitute for the initial poking you'll need to do with a debugger like ollydbg, but knowing the method your gonna use can drastically short them amount time time spent poking around
Some details on what exactly you need to do (e.g. how do you determine where to break) would be nice. Depending on your situation, something like Pin might work.
I suggest using Deviare API Hook. It's the easiest way you can do what you need. It has some COM objects that you can use to hook an application from a different process. In your process you get full parameter information and you can use it in any programming language (I'm using C# and it works like a charm).
If you need to intercept registry API I suggest using Deviare to debug what you need to intercept but then you will have to make your own hooks, otherwise, you'll find performance issues.
You can do API Hooking if you are interested in intercepting method calls.
Or use some disassembler like softice or ollydbg or win32dasm.
I have a project where I am required to fix this program that has the tendency to crash very non-deterministically. This piece of software performs lots of calculations and database calls and can have a very high load, meaning lots of clients.
It is a very critical component and without it nothing works. It needs to perform and be able to run without user interaction for long times.
It is actually a native C++/ATL project with COM for communication between its two executables.
I have spent a lot of time now actually studying the code and looking for obvious code flaws, such as not locking of shared variables (those that are obvious), exception handlers that don't do anything with an exception, besides 'return false', even if this could be a critical exception.
But I wanted to know if anyone has some tips for in regards to tackling a project like this, where many people have actually attempted to fix the issue and failed, and now you've taken the challenge and don't want to fail.
I am prepared to go far to fix this, however I need some guidance as to how to go about it in a good way?
My idea is to first set up a test environment and hope to collect as much information as possible about crashes that do occur, and then find, through logging, stack traces, etc, the points of the crashes. This may or may not be a good way to debug such a project.
Any input is appreciated?
It may be obvious, but my roadmap for such bugfixing task is :
Collect as many information as possible on crash source (users, developpers, etc).
Inspect documentation and dependencies.
Inspect source code.
Build an isolated test env and try to reproduce.
If you still can't find the source of the bug, try to sanitize the source code and to add a more verbose logging system.
Regards
Log, log, log, log.
I am trying to help a client with a problem, but I am running out of ideas. They have a custom, written in house application that runs on a schedule, but it crashes. I don't know how long it has been like this, so I don't think I can trace the crashes back to any particular software updates. The most unfortunate part is there is no longer any source code for the VB6 DLL which contains the meat of the logic.
This VB6 DLL is kicked off by 2-3 function calls from a VB Script. Obviously, I can modify the VB Script to add error logging, but I'm not having much luck getting quality information to pinpoint the source of the crash. I have put logging messages on either side of all of the function calls and determined which of the calls is causing the crash. However, nothing is ever returned in the err object because the call is crashing wscript.exe.
I'm not sure if there is anything else I can do. Any ideas?
Edit: The main reason I care, even though I don't have the source code is that there may be some external factor causing the crash (insufficient credentials, locked file, etc). I have checked the log file that is created in drwtsn32.log as a result of wscript.exe crashing, and the only information I get is an "Access Violation".
I first tend to think this is something to do with security permissions, but couldn't this also be a memory access violation?
You may consider using one of the Sysinternals tools if you truly think this is a problem with the environment such as file permissions. I once used Filemon to figure out all the files my application was touching and discovered a problem that way.
You may also want to do a quick sanity check with Dependency Walker to make sure you are actually loading the DLL files you think you are. I have seen the wrong version of the C runtime being loaded and causing a mysterious crash.
Depending on the scope of the application, your client might want to consider a rewrite. Without source code, they will eventually be forced to do so anyway when something else changes.
It's always possible to use a debugger - either directly on the PC that's running the crashing app or on a memory dump - to determine what's happening to a greater or lesser extent. In this case, where the code is VB6, that may not be very helpful because you'll only get useful information at the Win32 level.
Ultimately, if you don't have the source code then will finding out where the bug is really help? You won't be able to fix it anyway unless you can avoid that code path for ever in the calling script.
You could use the debugging tools for windows. Which might help you pinpoint the error, but without the source to fix it, won't do you much good.
A lazier way would be to call the dll from code (not a script) so you can at least see what is causing the issue and inspect the err object. You still won't be able to fix it, unless the problem is that it is being called incorrectly.
The guy of Coding The Wheel has a pretty interesting series about building an online poker bot which is full of serious technical info, a lot of which is concerned with how to get into existing applications and mess with them, which is, in some way, what you want to do.
Specifically, he has an article on using WinDbg to get at important info, one on how to bend function calls to your own code and one on injecting DLLs in other processes. These techniques might help to find and maybe work around or fix the crash, although I guess it's still a tough call.
There are a couple of tools that may be helpful. First, you can use dependency walker to do a runtime profile of your app:
http://www.dependencywalker.com/
There is a profile menu and you probably want to make sure that the follow child processes option is checked. This will do two things. First, it will allow you to see all of the lib versions that get pulled in. This can be helpful for some problems. Second, the runtime profile uses the debug memory manager when it runs the child processes. So, you will be able to see if buffers are getting overrun and a little bit of information about that.
Another useful tool is process monitor from Mark Russinovich:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx
This tool will report all file, registry and thread operations. This will help you determine if any you are bumping into file or registry credential issues.
Process explorer gives you a lot of the same information:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
This is also a Russinovich tool. I find that it is a bit easier to look at some data through this tool.
Finally, using debugging tools for windows or dev studio can give you some insight into where the errors are occurring.
Access violation is almost always a memory error - all the more likely in this case because its random crashing (permissions would likely be more obviously reproducible). In the case of a dll it could be either
There's an error in the code in the dll itself - this could be something like a memory allocation error or even a simple loop boundary condition error.
There's an error when the dll tries to link out to another dll on the system. This will generally be caused by a mismatch between dll versions on the machine.
Your first step should be to try and get a reproducible crash condition. If you don't have a set of circumstances that will crash the system then you cannot know when you have fixed it.
I would then install the system on a clean machine and attempt to reproduce the error on that. Run a monitor and check precisely what other files (dlls etc) are open when the program crashes. I have seen code that crashes on a hyperthreaded Pentium but not on an earlier one - so restoring an old machine as a testbed may be a good option to cover that one. Varying the amount of ram in the machine is also worthwhile.
Hopefully these steps might give you a clue. Hopefully it will be an environment problem and so can be avoided by using the right version of windows, dlls etc. However if you're still stuck with the crash at this point with no good clues then your options are either to rewrite or attempt to hunt down the problem further by debugging the dll at assembler lever or dissassembling it. If you are not familiar with assembly code then both of these are long-shots and it's difficult to see what you will gain - and either option is likely to be a massive time-sink. Myself I have in the past, when faced with a particularly low-level high intensity problem like this advertised on one of the 'coder for hire' websites and looked for someone with specialist knowledge. Again you will need a reproducible error to be able to do this.
In the long run a dll without source code will have to be replaced. Paying a specialist with assembly skills to analyse the functions and provide you with flowcharts may well be worthwhile considering. It is good business practice to do this sooner in a controlled manner than later - like after the machine it is running on has crashed and that version of windows is no longer easily available.
You may want to try using Resource Hacker you may have luck de-compiling the in house application. it may not give you the full source code but at least maybe some more info about what the app is doing, which also may help you determine your culrpit.
Add the maximum possible RAM to the machine
This simple and cheap hack has work for me in the past. Of course YMMV.
Reverse engineering is one possibility, although a tough one.
In theory you can decompile and even debug/trace a compiled VB6 application - this is the easy part, modifying it without source, in all but the most simple cases, is the hard part.
Free compilers/decompilers:
VB decompilers
VB debuggers
Rewrite would be, in most cases, a more successful and faster way to solve the problem.
What are the steps and techniques to debug an apparent hang due to a deadlock in a Win32 production process. I heard that WinDbg can be used for this purpose but could you please provide clear hints on how this can be accomplished?
This post should get you started on the various options..Check the posts tagged with Debugging..
Another useful article on debugging deadlocks..
Debugging a true deadlock is actually kind of easy, if you have access to the source and a memory dump (or live debugging session).
All you do is look at the threads, and find the ones that are waiting on some kind of shared resource (for example hung waiting in WaitForSingleObject). Generally speaking from there it is a matter of figuring out which two or more threads have locked each other up, and then you just have to figure out which one broke the lock heirarchy.
If you can't easily figure out which threads are locked up, use the method shown in this post here to trace the lock chain for each thread. When you get into a loop, the threads in the loop are the ones that are deadlocked.
If you are very lazy, you can install Application Verifier, then add you module and select just "locks" from the basic test.
then you can run your application under any debugger.
if a critical section deadlock happens you with find the reason right away.
What language/IDE are you using?
In .Net you can view the threads of an application: Debug->Windows->Threads or Ctrl+Alt+H
Debugging deadlocks can be tricky. I usually do some kind of logging and see where the log stops. I either log to a file or to the debug console using OutputDebugString().
The best thing is to start by adding logging statements. Generally I would recommend only around the shared resources that are deadlocking but also adding them in general might point to situations or areas of code you weren't expecting. The much publicized stackoverflow.com database issue actually turned out to be log4net! The stackoverflow team never suspected log4net, and only by examining logging (ironically) showed this. I would initially forgo any complicated tools e.g., WinDgb since using them is not very intuitive IMHO.