We know that the Program Counter contains the address of the next instruction to be executed. I am trying to understand which address this is - logical (CPU) or physical (RAM).
The address is virtual, i.e. it contains the address the CPU sees at that moment. That is true in most PCs and architectures that contain an MMU. In a microcontroller (e.g.: Arduino CPU, STM32 etc), program counter will always contain physical addresses.
On all the architectures I know, it's a logical (virtual) address. That's really the only way that's useful. You want page translation to apply to instruction fetches just like data accesses, so that all the features of paging can be used for code as well as data. And for architectures that can do PC-relative data addressing, you want virtual addresses there too - since all data instructions are subject to page translation, you can't really do anything useful with a physical address.
(Just to acknowledge dirac3000's point - if the machine doesn't have an MMU or it's disabled, like x86 in real mode, then all addresses are physical and the distinction between "logical" and "physical" doesn't exist, so the question becomes moot.)
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If I understand correctly, whenever a CPU is turned on it jumps to a manufacturer hardwired default physical memory address and starts executing the binary code present there. Naturally in a PC the default location maps to the ROM containing the BIOS.
Suppose I have a system with RAM installed as well, how does the CPU know that it is supposed to search for that specific address in the ROM chip containing the BIOS and not RAM's address?
Do the manufacturers of the Motherboard and the RAM have some standard or contract where they agree that the memory addresses of their hardware will never overlap?
I think you will see this diagram very often:
It summarize several things (I assumed you are familiar with the definition of "Physical Addresses" and "Virtual Addresses":
All program and wires within the CPU, always communicate and exchange among themselves "virtual addresses". You will never encounter any "physical addresses".
To address any DRAM outside the CPU, you will need "physical addresses".
The same "virtual addresses", can map to different "physical addresses". Eg, the following instruction:
load eax, (virtual_address_XXXX) (load from memory into EAX)
Same assembly instruction, but running under different processes, will result in accessing different parts of physical memory. (this is done through pagetable + MMU)
Translation from virtual address to physical address will need the MMU. Any electrical signals detected outside the CPU, is always at the physical addresses level. So all hardware devices (eg, memory) have to recognize that.
https://www.slideserve.com/stacie/computer-architecture-memory-management-units
So to start off, your question in the "title" is not really correct - the CPU does not know and see any "physical addresses", it is the hardware devices. But all get translated by the MMU (or IOMMU) (can cached by the TLB).
Note that some CPU does not have MMU. So "physical" and also the same value as "virtual address".
Let us take it step by step in a quick way:
When you reset your PC, it actually runs the code from BIOS.
Bios code is code written by Motherboard manufacturer to boot up the board. Then and after Bios finish its job. MBR; Master Boot Record, will run it is a piece of code written at the head of your HDD (address 0) when you installed you operating system, say windows or Linux.
This piece of code is responsible for jumping to your windows drive to start it which is called bootloader. So,
BIOS(Non-Volatile Memory) -> MBR(HDD) -> OS
If you think about it, you can find that there is an option of booting sequence inside BIOS to identify which is MBR should be read from HDD, DVD, ...etc
Read more about BIOS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS
Read more about MBR:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
Am I correct when I say that addresses of memory mapped registers are always physical addresses?
If yes then how does MMU deal with these addresses and decide not to do virtual to physical translations for them?
The MMU doesn't decide anything. It merely maps addresses according to what it has been told by the OS: virtual addresses to physical ones, and/or interrupts the application program if the mapping for a particular physical address is marked as "invalid" or somehow inconsistent with the operation of the current machine instruction (e.g., for instruction fetches, "not executable", for stores, "read only", etc.).
The operating system establishes a set of rules and conventions that ensure that applications cannot create greif for one another. If writing to memory-mapped I/O devices is OK for this OS, then the OS will set MMU mappings (e.g. page map registers) to allow it; otherwise it will not set MMU pages to map to I/O devices.
For most general purpose OSes, allowing arbitrary programs to write to I/O registers is a definition of "causes grief" and they simply never set up such a mapping. This is how Windows acts from the point of user processes.
For special purpose OSes, have separate processes share I/O pages may be fine, especially if the processes running are trusted (e.g, part of the OS or pass some certification authority who asserts good quality). Then multiple trusted processes might share memory-mapped I/O devices safely and conveniently. Even untrusted processes can be run on such an OS; it simply doesn't give them access to I/O.
Back in 1972, I built a unique virtual memory 16 bit minicomputer. The MMU had two kinds of page mappings: mapping of virtual pages to physical (as you'd expect), and mapping of a page to a single 32 byte I/O device. What this means is that the OS can hand any process any device (not critical to OS function) safely.
In particular, it meant that each I/O driver has its own address space; if it screwed up, no problem. You could debug device drivers while running the OS without fear. (Windows suffered from I/O driver corruption destroying windows for years; still does I think but their quality control "trustedness checking" is wicked strong now).
Alas, it wasn't a commercial success. I was forced to go into software to make a living :-{
You are correct.
All registers and or memory locations within a processor's memory map are physical addresses.
Virtual to physical translations are done by the MMU and only occur within contiguous blocks of memory in which code can be executed from. i.e RAM or internal flash. No virtual to physical translations occur when other parts of the memory map are accessed, because they do not interact with the MMU.
I am a little confused about the terms physical/logical/virtual addresses in an Operating System(I use Linux- open SUSE)
Here is what I understand:
Physical Address- When the processor is in system mode, the address used by the processor is physical address.
Logical Address- When the processor is in user mode, the address used is the logical address. these are anyways mapped to some physical address by adding a base register with the offset value.It in a way provides a sort of memory protection.
I have come across discussion that virtual and logical addresses/address space are the same. Is it true?
Any help is deeply appreciated.
My answer is true for Intel CPUs running on a modern Linux system, and I am speaking about user-level processes, not kernel code. Still, I think it'll give you some insight enough to think about the other possibilities
Address Types
Regarding question 3:
I have come across discussion that virtual and logical
addresses/address space are the same. Is it true?
As far as I know they are the same, at least in modern OS's running on top of Intel processors.
Let me try to define two notions before I explain more:
Physical Address: The address of where something is physically located in the RAM chip.
Logical/Virtual Address: The address that your program uses to reach its things. It's typically converted to a physical address later by a hardware chip (mostly, not even the CPU is aware really of this conversion).
Virtual/Logical Address
The virtual address is well, a virtual address, the OS along with a hardware circuit called the MMU (Memory Management Unit) delude your program that it's running alone in the system, it's got the whole address space(having 32-bits system means your program will think it has 4 GBs of RAM; roughly speaking).
Obviously, if you have more than one program running at the time (you always do, GUI, Init process, Shell, clock app, calendar, whatever), this won't work.
What will happen is that the OS will put most of your program memory in the hard disk, the parts it uses the most will be present in the RAM, but hey, that doesn't mean they'll have the address you and your program know.
Example: Your process might have a variable named (counter) that's given the virtual address 0xff (imaginably...) and another variable named (oftenNotUsed) that's given the virtual address (0xaa).
If you read the assembly of your compiled code after all linking's happened, you'll be accessing them using those addresses but well, the (oftenNotUsed) variable won't be really there in RAM at 0xaa, it'll be in the hard disk because the process is not using it.
Moreover, the variable (counter) probably won't be physically at (0xff), it'll be somewhere else in RAM, when your CPU tries to fetch what's in 0xff, the MMU and a part of the OS, will do a mapping and get that variable from where it's really available in the RAM, the CPU won't even notice it wasn't in 0xff.
Now what happens if your program asks for the (oftenNotUsed) variable? The MMU+OS will notice this 'miss' and will fetch it for the CPU from the Harddisk into RAM then hand it over to the CPU as if it were in the address (0xaa); this fetching means some data that was present in RAM will be sent back to the Harddisk.
Now imagine this running for every process in your system. Every process thinks they have 4GB of RAMs, no one actually have that but everything works because everyone has some parts of their program available physically in the RAM but most of the program resides in the HardDisk. Don't confuse this part of the program memory being put in HD with the program data you can access through file operations.
Summary
Virtual address: The address you use in your programs, the address that your CPU use to fetch data, is not real and gets translated via MMU to some physical address; everyone has one and its size depends on your system(Linux running 32-bit has 4GB address space)
Physical address: The address you'll never reach if you're running on top of an OS. It's where your data, regardless of its virtual address, resides in RAM. This will change if your data is sent back and forth to the hard disk to accommodate more space for other processes.
All of what I have mentioned above, although it's a simplified version of the whole concept, is what's called the memory management part of the the computer system.
Consequences of this system
Processes cannot access each other memory, everyone has their separate virtual addresses and every process gets a different translation to different areas even though sometimes you may look and find that two processes try to access the same virtual address.
This system works well as a caching system, you typically don't use the whole 4GB you have available, so why waste that? let others share it and let them use it too; when your process needs more, the OS will fetch your data from the HD and replace other process' data, at an expense of course.
Physical Address- When the processor is in system mode, the address used by the processor is physical address.
Not necessarily true. It depends on the particular CPU. On x86 CPUs, once you've enabled page translation, all code ceases to operate with physical addresses or addresses trivially convertible into physical addresses (except, SMM, AFAIK, but that's not important here).
Logical Address- When the processor is in user mode, the address used is the logical address. these are anyways mapped to some physical address by adding a base register with the offset value.
Logical addresses do not necessarily apply to the user mode exclusively. On x86 CPUs they exist in the kernel mode as well.
I have come across discussion that virtual and logical addresses/address space are the same. Is it true?
It depends on the particular CPU. x86 CPUs can be configured in such a way that segments aren't used explicitly. They are used implicitly and their bases are always 0 (except for thread-local-storage segments). What remains when you drop the segment selector from a logical address is a 32-bit (or 64-bit) offset whose value coincides with the 32-bit (or 64-bit) virtual address. In this simplified set-up you may consider the two to be the same or that logical addresses don't exist. It's not true, but for most practical purposes, good enough of an approximation.
I am referring to below answer base on intel x86 CPU
Difference Between Logical to Virtual Address
Whenever your program is under execution CPU generates logical address for instructions which contains (16 bit Segment Selector and 32 bit offset ).Basically Virtual(Linear address) is generated using logical address fields.
Segment selector is 16 bit field out of which first 13bit is index (Which is a pointer to the segment descriptor resides in GDT,described below) , 1 bit TI field ( TI = 1, Refer LDT , TI=0 Refer GDT )
Now Segment Selector OR say segment identifier refers to Code Segment OR Data Segment OR Stack Segment etc. Linux contains one GDT/LDT (Global/Local Descriptor Table) Which contains 8 byte descriptor of each segments and holds the base (virtual) address of the segment.
So for for each logical address, virtual address is calculated using below steps.
1) Examines the TI field of the Segment Selector to determine which Descriptor
Table stores the Segment Descriptor. This field indicates that the Descriptor is
either in the GDT (in which case the segmentation unit gets the base linear
address of the GDT from the gdtr register) or in the active LDT (in which case the
segmentation unit gets the base linear address of that LDT from the ldtr register).
2) Computes the address of the Segment Descriptor from the index field of the Segment
Selector. The index field is multiplied by 8 (the size of a Segment Descriptor),
and the result is added to the content of the gdtr or ldtr register.
3) Adds the offset of the logical address to the Base field of the Segment Descriptor,
thus obtaining the linear(Virtual) address.
Now it is the job of Pagging unit to translate physical address from virtual address.
Refer : Understanding the linux Kernel , Chapter 2 Memory Addressing
User virtual addresses
These are the regular addresses seen by user-space programs. User addresses are either 32 or 64 bits in length, depending on the underlying hardware architecture, and each process has its own virtual address space.
Physical addresses
The addresses used between the processor and the system's memory. Physical addresses are 32- or 64-bit quantities; even 32-bit systems can use 64-bit physical addresses in some situations.
Bus addresses
The addresses used between peripheral buses and memory. Often they are the same as the physical addresses used by the processor, but that is not necessarily the case. Bus addresses are highly architecture dependent, of course.
Kernel logical addresses
These make up the normal address space of the kernel. These addresses map most or all of main memory, and are often treated as if they were physical addresses. On most architectures, logical addresses and their associated physical addresses differ only by a constant offset. Logical addresses use the hardware's native pointer size, and thus may be unable to address all of physical memory on heavily equipped 32-bit systems. Logical addresses are usually stored in variables of type unsigned long or void *. Memory returned from kmalloc has a logical address.
Kernel virtual addresses
These differ from logical addresses in that they do not necessarily have a direct mapping to physical addresses. All logical addresses are kernel virtual addresses; memory allocated by vmalloc also has a virtual address (but no direct physical mapping). The function kmap returns virtual addresses. Virtual addresses are usually stored in pointer variables.
If you have a logical address, the macro __pa() (defined in ) will return its associated physical address. Physical addresses can be mapped back to logical addresses with __va(), but only for low-memory pages.
Reference.
Normally every address issued (for x86 architecture) is a logical address which is translated to a linear address via the segment tables. After the translation into linear address, it is then translated to physical address via page table.
A nice article explaining the same in depth:
http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/memory-translation-and-segmentation/
Physical Address is the address that is seen by the memory unit, i.e., one loaded into memory address register.
Logical Address is the address that is generated by the CPU.
The user program can never see the real physical address.Memory mapping unit converts the logical address to physical address.
Logical address generated by user process must be mapped to physical memory before they are used.
Logical memory is relative to the respective program i.e (Start point of program + offset)
Virtual memory uses a page table that maps to ram and disk. In this way each process can promise more memory for each individual process.
In the Usermode or UserSpace all the addresses seen by program are Virtual addresses.
When in kernel mode addresses seen by kernel are still virtual but termed as logical as they are equal to physical + pageoffset .
Physical addresses are the ones which are seen by RAM .
With Virtual memory every address in program goes through page tables.
when u write a small program eg:
int a=10;
int main()
{
printf("%d",a);
}
compile: >gcc -c fname.c
>ls
fname.o //fname.o is generated
>readelf -a fname.o >readelf_obj.txt
/readelf is a command to understand the object files and executabe file which will be in 0s and 1s. output is written in readelf_onj.txt file/
`>vim readelf_obj.txt`
/* under "section header" you will see .data .text .rodata sections of your object file. every starting or the base address is started from 0000 and grows to the respective size till it reach the size under the heading "size"----> these are the logical addresses.*/
>gcc fname.c
>ls
a.out //your executabe
>readelf -a a.out>readelf_exe.txt
>vim readelf_exe.txt
/* here the base address of all the sections are not zero. it will start from particular address and end up to the particular address. The linker will give the continuous adresses to all the sections (observe in the readelf_exe.txt file. observe base address and size of each section. They start continuously) so only the base addresses are different.---> this is called the virtual address space.*/
Physical address-> the memory ll have the physical address. when your executable file is loaded into memory it ll have physical address. Actually the virtual adresses are mapped to physical addresses for the execution.
I am not able to exactly difference between kernel logical address and virtual address. In Linux device driver book it says that all logical address are kernel virtual address, and virtual address doesn't have any linear mapping. But logically wise when we say it is logical and when we say virtual and in which situation we use these two ?
The Linux kernel maps most of the virtual address space that belongs to the kernel to perform 1:1 mapping with an offset of the first part of physical memory. (slightly less then for 1Gb for 32bit x86, can be different for other processors or configurations). For example, for kernel code on x86 address 0xc00000001 is mapped to physical address 0x1.
This is called logical mapping - a 1:1 mapping (with an offset) that allows the kernel to access most of the physical memory of the machine.
But this is not enough - sometime we have more then 1Gb physical memory on a 32bit machine, sometime we want to reference non contiguous physical memory blocks as contiguous to make thing simple, sometime we want to map memory mapped IO regions which are not RAM.
For this, the kernel keeps a region at the top of its virtual address space where it does a "random" page to page mapping. The mapping there do not follow the 1:1 pattern of the logical mapping area. This is what we call the virtual mapping.
It is important to add that on many platforms (x86 is an example), both the logical and virtual mapping are done using the same hardware mechanism (TLB controlling virtual memory). In many cases, the "logical mapping" is actually done using virtual memory facility of the processor, so this can be a little confusing. The difference therefore is the pattern according to which the mapping is done: 1:1 for logical, something random for virtual.
Basically there are 3 kinds of addressing, namely
Logical Addressing : Address is formed by base and offset. This is nothing but segmented addressing, where the address (or offset) in the program is always used with the base value in the segment descriptor
Linear Addressing : Also called virtual address. Here adresses are contigous, but the physical address are not. Paging is used to implement this.
Physical addressing : The actual address on the Main Memory!
Now, in linux, Kernel memory (in address space) is beyond 3 GB ( 3GB to 4GB), i.e. 0xc000000..The addresses used by Kernel are not Physical addresses. To map the virtual address it uses PAGE_OFFSET. Care must be taken that no page translation is involved. i.e. these addresses are contiguous in nature. However there is a limit to this, i.e. 896 MB on x86. Beyond which paging is used for translation. When you use vmalloc, these addresses are returned to access the allocated memory.
In short, when someone refers to Virtual Memory in context of User Space, then it is through Paging. If Kernel Virtual Memory is mentioned then it is either PAGE_OFFSETed or vmalloced address.
(Reference - Understanding Linux Kernel - 2.6 based )
Shash
Kernel logical addresses are mappings accessible to kernel code through normal CPU memory access functions. On 32-bit systems, only 4GB of kernel logical address space exists, even if more physical memory than that is in use. Logical address space backed by physical memory can be allocated with kmalloc.
Virtual addresses do not necessarily have corresponding logical addresses. You can allocate physical memory with vmalloc and get back a virtual address that has no corresponding logical address (on 32-bit systems with PAE, for example). You can then use kmap to assign a logical address to that virtual address.
Simply speaking, virtual address would include "high memory", which doesn't do the 1:1 mapping for the physical address,if your RAM size is more than the address range of kernel(typically,For 1G/3G in X86,your RAM is 3G but your kernel addressing range is 1G) and also the address return from kmap() and vmalloc(), which requires the kernel to establish page table for the memory mapping. since logic address is always memory mapped by the kernel(1:1 mapping), you don't need to explicitly call kernel API,like set_pte to set up the page table entry for the particular page.
so virtual address can't be logic address all the time.
I have taken a course about Operating System design and concept and now I am trying to study Linux kernel thoroughly. I have a question that I cannot get rid of. In modern operating systems each process has own virtual address space(VAS) (eg, 0 to 2^32-1 in 32-bit systems). This provides many advantages. But in the implementation I am confused at some points. Let me explain it by giving an example:
Let's say we have two processes p1, p2;
p1 and p2 have their own VASes. An address 0x023f4a54 is mapped to different physical addresses(PA), how can it be? How is done this translation in this manner. I mean I know translation mechanism but I cannot understand that same address is mapped to different physical address when it comes different processes' address space.
0x023f4a54 in p1's VAS => PA 0x12321321
0x023f4a54 in p2's VAS => PA 0x23af2341 # (random addresses)
A CPU that provides virtual memory lets you set up a mapping of the memory addresses as the CPU sees it to physical memory addresses , typically this is done by a harware unit called the MMU.
The OS kernel can program that MMU, typically not down to the individual addresses, but rather in units of pages (4096 bytes is common). This means the MMU can be programmed to translate e.g. virtual addresses 0x1000-0x2000 to be translated to physical address 0x20000-0x21000.
The OS keeps one set of these mapping per process, and before it schedules a process to run, it loads that mapping into the MMU before it switches control back to the process. This enables different mappings for different processes, and nothing stops those mappings from mapping the same virtual address to a different physical address.
All this is transparent as far as the program is concerned, it just executes instructions on the CPU, and as the CPU has been set to virtual memory mode (paged mode), every memory access is translated by the MMU before it goes out on the physical bus to the memory.
The actual implementation details are complicated, but here's some references that might provide more insight;
http://wiki.osdev.org/Paging
http://www.usenix.org/event/usenix99/full_papers/cranor/cranor.pdf
http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/0131453483/downloads/gorman_book.pdf
Your question confuses a virtual address with using an address as a way of identification, so the first step to understanding is to separate the concepts.
A working example is the C runtime library function sprintf(). When properly declared and called, it is incorporated into a program as a shared object module, along with all the subfunctions it needs. The address of sprintf varies from program to program because the library is loaded in an available free address. For a simple hello world program, sprintf might be loaded at address 0x101000. For a complex program which calculates taxes, it might be loaded at 0x763f8000 (because of all the yucky logic the main program contains goes before the libraries it references). From a system perspective, the shared library is loaded into memory in one place only, but the address window (range of addresses) that each process sees that memory is unique to that executable.
Of course, this is complicated further by some of the features of Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) which randomizes the addresses at which different program sections are loaded into memory, including shared library mapping.
--- clarification ---
As someone correctly points out, the virtual address mapping of each process is specific to each process, not unlike its set of file descriptors, socket connections, process parent and children, etc. That is, p1 might map address 0x1000 to physical 0x710000 while p2 maps address 0x1000 to a page fault, and p3 is mapped to some shared library at physical 0x9f32a000. The virtual address mapping is carefully supervised by the operating system, arguably for providing features such as swapping and paging, but also to provide features like shared code and data, and interprocess shared data.
There are two important data structures dealing with paging: the page table and the TLB. The OS maintains different page tables per process. The TLB is just a cache of the page table.
Now, different CPUs are, well, different. x86 accesses page tables directly, using a special register called CR3 which points to the page table in use. MIPS processors don't know anything about the page table, so the OS must work directly with the TLB.
Some CPUs (e.g: MIPS) keep an identifier in the TLB to separate different processes apart, so the OS can just change a control register when doing a context switch (unless it needs to reuse an identifier). Other CPUs require a full TLB flush in every context switch. So, basically, the OS needs to change some control registers and possibly needs to clear the TLB (do a TLB flush) to allow virtual addresses from different processes map to whatever physical addresses they should.
Thanks for all answers. The actual point that i dont know is that how same virtual address of different processes does not clash with each other's physical correspondent. I found the answer in the link below, each process has its own page table.
http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/mm/memory.html
This mapping (virtual address to physical address) is handled by the OS and the MMU (see #nos' answer); the point of this abstraction is so p1 "thinks" it's accessing 0x023f4a54 when in reality it's accessing 0x12321321.
If you go back to your class on how programs work on the machine code level, p1 will expect some variable/function/whatever to be at the same place (eg 0x023f4a54) every time it's loaded. The OS mapping physical to virtual address provides this abstraction. In reality, it won't always be loaded to the same physical address, but your program doesn't care as long as it's in the same virtual address.
I think it is important to keep in mind that each process has its own set of page tables. I had hard times understanding this as well when I was thinking that there is a single page table for the whole system.
When specific process refers to its page table and tries to access the page that has not yet been mapped to a page frame, OS allocates a different piece of physical memory for that specific process and maps it to the virtual address.