We are running Cobalt on a MIPS based platform with no OpenGL support. We have Cobalt from 20.lts.x and it runs perfectly. Now I m experimenting with Cobalt 23 version and I see that OpenGL is the only way to make graphics (we were using Blitter API with 20 version which was removed).
How difficult will it be to port-back blitter API?
As Cobalt is just perfect for constrained systems (embedded systems), what will be your advice for platforms lacking OpenGL support?
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Qt5 can use the OpenGL driver or the DirectX Driver by using ANGLE. As we cannot depend on an installed OpenGL driver, we need to use the ANGLE backend. Unfortunately, this doesn't solve all deployment problems especially on Windows virtual machines without hardware acceleration. On these systems, we're getting an error message saying that the creation of an OpenGL context failed.
Screenshot: Failed to create OpenGL context for format QSurfaceFormat
We're deploying all required libraries (libEGL.dll libGLESv2.dll libeay32.dll msvcp110.dll msvcr110.dll d3dcompiler_46.dll) but we're still getting this error message.
How do you deploy a QML application that needs to run on end user machines without OpenGL driver and on (virtual) machines without Direct3D Acceleration?
There is a page on the Qt wiki mentioning this problem, but that's not very helpful for solving it.
Update for Qt 5.4.0:
My findings so far are:
Setting QT_ANGLE_PLATFORM=warp -> creates a windows without content.
Setting QT_ANGLE_PLATFORM=d3d9 -> same error dialog, as expected.
Setting QT_ANGLE_PLATFORM=d3d11 -> same error dialog, as expected.
Setting QT_OPENGL=desktop -> same as QT_ANGLE_PLATFORM=warp.
Setting QT_OPENGL=angle -> same error dialog, as expected.
Setting QT_OPENGL=software + opengl32sw.dll (mesa for windows) -> unpredictable: May run, may crash, may show the error dialog.
Update for Qt Quick 2D Renderer
Although, Mesa seems to be a partial solution, the configration seems to be very crash often in Qt 5.4.0 .
Another fallback could be the Qt Quick 2D Renderer, but unfortunately this crashes too.
Copying softwarecontext.dll into /scenegraph + Setting QMLSCENE_DEVICE=softwarecontext -> crash
Update after some user experience:
Angle
Has some render bugs on some systems
Does not work reliable on all systems
Angle with Warp
Not reliable
Desktop OpenGL
The default implements OpenGL 1.1, which is too old.
Not reliable, even if the OpenGL version is ok.
Has render bugs, if used by Qt
QtQuick2dRenderer
Has some major render issues
Crashes, Freezes
Works on systems without HW acceleration
Mesa OpenGL Backend
Seems to be quite reliable at the moment
quite slow in general, very slow on some systems.
Heavy Deployment weight
Conclusion: there is still no real solution for these systems
Update for Qt 5.5
Anno 2015: Broken graphics drives are still broken.
My conclusion for the moment is:
Use QtQuick2dRenderer if possible.
Use Mesa backend otherwise.
Skip Angle, skip Desktop OpenGL, skip Warp.
QT 5 has huge compatibility issue with opengl on some hardware configurations
Combination of Intel HD3000 driver and Nvidia/ATI card won't work on Windows 10.
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-42240
Intel drops support for this card but their drivers has bug that leads to crash.
You cannot rely on hardware opengl if you want to support customers with HD3000.
Under Windows, opengl32.dll is the default OpenGL driver. It implements OpenGL 1.1 (really old version).
ANGLE has a baseline of OpenGL ES 2.0 and needs DirectX 9/11 installed to map the calls into.
So if you got a video card that doesn't have an OpenGL driver installed, an OpenGL driver less than 2.0, and/or DirectX 9/11 not installed, your app is not going to work.
In regards to virtualization and 3D acceleration, these maybe worth a read:
Why does Qt Creator 3.0.0 Welcome Mode not work in VM?
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-34964
Also, if you run a multi monitor Windows environment under VirtualBox, 3d acceleration will be disabled.
I re-checked this to see if these problems have been fixed by the latest release of QT 5.12.2, but no they have not. The function described in the QT wiki entry OP referenced
https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_5_on_Windows_ANGLE_and_OpenGL sounds good but in practice it simply doesn't work.
I conclude avoid OpenGL on QT in any form. It's just too unreliable.
I have small cross platform engine that runs my OpenGL ES 2.0 games on Android and on Windows. To run it on Windows I am using PowerVR emulator (just libraries linked to the project). It all works well.
Now I would like to debug it and inspect in any OpenGL debugger. I tried Intel GPA, AMD CodeXL, gDebugger, glslDevil. But non of them were able to do it. In case of Intel GPA it did not find the running game. In other cases it started the game but failed to pause it or do anything later.
I do not know whether it is because it is OpenGL ES instead of OpenGL. But the PowerVR emulation must work like translating OpenGL ES to OpenGL, I think?
My questions are:
Is there any (utility) way how to debug OpenGL ES 2.0 programs on Windows?
Or is there any better emulation library than PowerVR that will force the app look like OpenGL for other tools (instead of OpenGL ES)?
I am doing all this as none of debuggers work for me on Android device. I am developing with Samsung Galaxy Tab (which is Tegra GPU), but Nvida's PerfHUD ES does not currently support it (and I also do not meet Android 4.0 or higher having only 3.1)
Is there any way how to debug OpenGL ES on Android device that has Android version 3.1 and it is Samsung Galaxy Tab device?
Thanx
You're correct - PVRVFrame translates OpenGL ES calls into host OpenGL calls. This is why the likes of gDEBugger will capture the OpenGL API calls made by the emulator rather than the calls you actually submitted.
The PowerVR SDK includes an OpenGL ES/EGL API recording tool called PVRTrace that has all of the functionality you're looking for.
The PVRTrace recording libraries can be used to record applications using PVRVFrame on Windows and Linux. The SDK also includes recording libraries for Android and Linux devices.
PVRTraceGUI (analysis tool for Windows, OSX & Linux) can be used to review and inspect the data you've recorded. It also has an Image Analysis widget that allows you to step through the draw calls in your recording & some other handy features, such as a Pixel Analysis pie chart that highlights the most costly fragment shaders in your render so you know where to focus shader optimisation.
There's also a PVRTrace standalone playback tool that allows you to replay your recordings on any of the supported OS's (inc. Windows & Android).
You can find an overview of the tool on the Imagination website here & can download PVRTrace through the PowerVR SDK installer, available here
I routinely debug OpenGL ES on Windows using the PowerVR VFrame translator, which converts OpenGL ES calls to OpenGL, as you said. I think it's the best solution. VFrame has some step and tracing features, but mostly I am using the debugging features of MSVC++.
If you are using GLSurfaceView on android, it has an OpenGL ES tracing feature too. I also recommend using an X86 AVD rather than ARM or trusting the drivers on any one device. This article explains in detail:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/porting-opengl-games-to-android-on-intel-atom-processors-part-1
I've read places that Windows Phone 8 will not support OpenGL, and I'm unable to find anything useful in the SDK.
So am I or will I ever be able to use OpenGL (ES) in my Windows Phone 8 game? I have a game I would like not to rewrite completely to DirectX when porting.
Please cite good sources, the only thing I've found are speculations and blog posts with little to no information.
OpenGL isn't supported on WP8, but Direct 3D feature level 9_3 is supported. If you're looking to port over a game from OpenGL ES over to D3D have a look at the Angle Project. Angle Project helps bridge the gap between OpenGL ES 2.0 and D3D 9. It doesn't have WP8 targeting just yet and you'll have issues with runtime compile shaders not being supported on WP8, but Angle project is still a good first step.
Either way, for games portability with other platforms it's really best if you work with a middleware gaming framework such as MonoGame, Unity, Cocos2D, Havok, Marmalade, SharpDX, Ogre, Autodesk Scaleform or others. These engines will mostly handle cross platform support for you within their own framework (each with it's own limitations on code and assets portability).
If you already have an existing OpenGL game you want to port over to WP8, than Angle project if your best bet going forward. If you're just starting out creating a cross-platform portable game than choosing a gaming middleware framework that seems right for your game's needs is the way to go.
Marmalade does let you write OpenGL ES 2.0 code and make it work in Windows phone 8 without making you do anything
Check this for more details:
http://www.madewithmarmalade.com/windows-phone-8
Even if Windows Phone 8 supported OpenGL (which it doesn't), it would support OpenGL ES, not destkop OpenGL. Since it's for embedded platforms.
So that's no twice.
Gideros uses OpenGL and targets Windows RT/Phone graphics by means of a lightweight DX wrapper.
i like to develop games to android based on opengl es 2.0 , with the emulator its a apain
is there any better way to develop opengl es 2.0 app on windows fast toolkit /engine ?
something that i can debug the code .
Thanks
You can use one of OpenGL ES 2.0 emulations on Windows to develop your application. Then majority of your rendering code will be same C/C++ code for Windows and for Android. Only platform specific stuff would be opening window, getting inputs (toches) and reading files.
Here are some of GLES2 emulators from different vendors:
Imgtec PowerVR - supports PVR texture compression
Qualcomm Ardeno - supports ATITC texture compression
ARM Mali
Nvidia Tegra - supports DXT texture compression
Google ANGLE - supports DXT texture compression. Opensource! Used by Chrome & Firefox as WebGL backend.
I myself like and use Google ANGLE to develop my app on Windows. After that I can run app on Android without changing any of rendering code.
I need to software render OpenGL in Windows and have already found about Mesa3D, which doesn't provide DLLs and I'm having some pain to build... Are there alternatives available?
That depends on what OpenGL version you wish to accelerate. Depending on your needs, there are some alternatives available. I've listed those I'm aware of below:
OpenGL 1.0 & 1.1
Windows (since Windows NT 3.5) actually includes an OpenGL software implementation to begin with. If you haven't installed any other software rasterizer, this ought to be your default implementation. The Microsoft software rasterizer supports either OpenGL 1.0 or 1.1, depending on your platform, but will not accelerate anything newer than that. If your desired OpenGL version is covered by 1.0 or 1.1 (however unlikely), the solution should be sufficient. I'm unsure as to what extent the default Windows OpenGL software implementation covers the OpenGL ES 1.x frameworks through its OpenGL 1.0 or 1.1 support.
OpenGL 1.4
Furthermore, in Windows Vista, Microsoft included an emulation layer which may translate OpenGL into Direct3D; thus supporting up-to OpenGL 1.4. Additionally, this should mean that Windows Vista (and up?) runtimes may accelerate most parts of OpenGL SC. I've never used this emulator myself, and was quite surprised to hear about it, but it may be of interest to someone having to run one of these old frameworks in a Windows environment.
Note that the standard Windows OpenGL software rasterizer (OpenGL 1.0 or 1.1) is also included in Windows Vista and above.
OpenGL ES 2.0
Additionally, there's the ANGLE project which accelerates WebGL and OpenGL ES 2.0 by translating OpenGL ES 2.0 invocations to DirectX 9 and 11. Their development notes also mention that an OpenGL ES 3.0 solution is in the works. Never having used ANGLE, I cannot offer a verdict.
OpenGL 3.1
In addition to those mentioned above, Mesa 3D (which supports up to OpenGL 3.1) feature three software implementations:
swrast
softpipe
llvmpipe
Since I know very little of swrast (the original Mesa project software rasterizer) and softpipe (a reference driver) I'll refrain from going into these. The third implementation, llvmpipe, and probably the one that may interest you the most, is a high-speed software implementation that uses multithreading and JIT compilation to speed up simulation with native- and SIMD instructions.
I have used Swiftshader from Transgaming for a production project before and I must say, it was brilliant. A tad costly, but brilliant.
As far as I've searched, the only other option is using WebGL software renderer, that as of today only Chrome supports. Direct3D has the reference driver (which is really unstable) and Swiftshader, which is good and expensive.
After some more headaches I managed to build Mesa3D for Windows, but only an old version which had still some support for it. At least, it has an awesome performance.